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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 1/10/2008 10:21 PM |
(I am moving this thread to the Word board, from the General.) | I only wish to say a few words here, as I only have a short time before going to work. But it truly distrubs my soul as I see the tons and tons of material 'out there' to lead you anywhere except directly studying the Word of God and ONLY His Word. I know that God can and does speak to us personally, for He has spoken to me many times. He spoke to me, leading me out of church long before I understood the truth of His word. I am here to tell you, I fully believe it is all but impossible to get to the truth listening to the preachers and teachers today. The reason being that they themselves totally rely upon what others tell them. I dare say it would be extreemly hard to find a minister who really studies the Scripture, comparing only Scripture with other scripture for his revelation. and I am telling you, that is the one and only way or means of finding the TRUTH. there is a virtual onslought today against the English version of the Word of God. So to all who speak the English language, those renegade ministers and speakers would have us believe that God did not give us a dependable Word we can study and learn and live by. I say, bull crapt! It is lies from Satan himself. There are hordes and tons of folks proclaiming that we must study this commentary, that reference bible, the concordances, and the most idot of all, we who know not one word of any language except English, must go back and study some 'original' language of some ancient people, in order to get truth. How God must hate all of this barbaric foolishness and evil against Him and his Word. To think That God did not, and could not understand English and speak to us by his English marytrs who actually died to give us the translation into English. Those men were persecuted and destroyed because of their stand for truth. Yet the renegades of Satan's pulpits today, declare loud and long that we must forget their work, as it is totally wrong, and go back to what some renegade men today 'tell us' is the original language. People, if you truly desire to know TRUTH, you will need to forget all this mess, and study only the Word of God without some other man's words to influence you and lead your mind into darkness. they are all following the same line of lies the Catholic church taught the world thousands of years ago. Their lies have stood, varying only small amounts. the real truth seems like Satan's pulpit to all these people, for they do not think truth can be found studying only the KJV Word of God. but I am telling you, this is the only way to find truth, for all other works of men, are following the same darkened trail of trinity, Jesus is God, do holidays, rapture of a lukewarm church, Adam is a saint, live by law, women, keep quiet. etc. Only one Scripture can truly interpret another Scripture. This is the only route out of the darkness. Jo Smith |
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Hi Freeborn,
this afternoon I went into the garden to do some bible study.I had some books kept in a bag from last year summer.
I left them in the house, only carrying my bible with me.Some things which weren't clear to me last year became very clear by only studying God's word and nothing else.
About going back to the original languages...ok, if you know that language.
But if not...you depend on translations.And who says that they are correctly translated?
God has given His word for the common people, who only know their mother tongue.Don't think it was ever God's intend that we should study old languages to understand His word.
God has given His Spirit who gives us insight in the bible.
I only use a simple concordance.Not like Strong, or anything else.
An example: when you look up the word: angels, you know where to find that word in the O.T; or the N.T.; it's more like a dictionary.It gives no explanation.
You're right Jo, those who want to find the truth, must look for it in God's word.
Don't find anything about holidays in the bible either, or about Jesus being God, or trinity, rapture..
blessings to all of you,
eelya
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| eelya, you are so right. I used to have that kind of concordence, but did away with it way back when God told me to get rid of everything. I wish I still had it. Sometimes I look up things in Strongs, but almost 99% of the time it is of no help. He is merely giving the natural meanings of words. People do not understand that these words have a spiritual meaning which only God can reveal. All of God's Word is present tense right today for us. That is what people are missing. They are being told that they must go back and learn old Jewish costoms and the language, and their habits to learn the Word of God. That is so wrong.!!! God's word give me understanding for us today, I mean in every Scripture. People are being so misled that they cannot understand a thing but lies. It is such a pity. this thing of having to go back to some original language is one of Satan's schrewedest tools. So glad you understand truth. Love ye, Jo | |
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| I certainlly agree with this message. I get so sick of hearing so manyh people declaring that we cannot trust our english Translation of God's Word. I truly do not see how studying some man's works, such as is verhemently advocated by most people could give anything except that man's ideas. I truly think each of us is required to study the Word of God for ourselves and allow God to show us what is meant. I think all the men who wrote commentaries and such, were only influenced by other men, therefore their comments will only lead you to the same old theories which have taken the church into the darkness which it is in right now, of serving a God whom they think can do nothing. This is a good subject to study. | Reply
| | | well, i came back to this tonight and it is still food fro me. i am trying to study the bible more and it is making more sense than before. i think what you say here is a better way than having to study so many different books and try to learn some old jeweish way of doing things. what difference could that make to us today? i just do nto see it. i agree that God gave us the word as it is needful for us today. I did not live back then, so what good is their customs to me now? I am surprised thta no one else has gotten into this. it is a needful message. | | |
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| Hi Jo, Well, you know my feelings on the KJV issue, Other than that, though, Amen! << I am here to tell you, I fully believe it is all but impossible to get to the truth listening to the preachers and teachers today. The reason being that they themselves totally rely upon what others tell them. I dare say it would be extreemly hard to find a minister who really studies the Scripture, comparing only Scripture with other scripture for his revelation.>> That is too true, Jo.. I have been honestly, at His leading, evaluating the church right now and it is true and He is not going to continue to put up with it.. I sort of made a list of the major doctrines which are like this and you're right, well at least many of them are derived from Catholicism and the system. Others, such as End-Time prophecy are from other sources (such as right-wing fundamentalism.) But really, I think they can *all* be traced to the church being afraid of the world.. I don't blame Catholicism mainly because I think the church has failed to see the error that was made when "the church" (I will put that in quotes because ... He knows those who are His own) decided to compromise with Constantine - a pagan emperor.. And we are making those same mistakes now. And the sad part is this world is *still* being ruled over by a being who wants our destruction. We aren't helping. We are trading our own comfort for the chance to save others (and perhaps ourselves, God will judge) from destruction.. It's sad.. But at least some will be saved. I pray for this a lot myself seeing the evil that has come out of it. I pray to *really* love those around me and NOT seek their shelter, to depend solely on God and His word.. It is hard. I go to work. I pay my taxes. But strive to do it all to His glory, for the sake of others.. It's tough. One of those things where it is a small thing which is everything: to truly seek the glory of God and the welfare of others.. But chin up girl.. I have spent a lot of time praying for you this past week. Love in Christ, Anne | |
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| Hi Anne, I do enjoy reading your posts. I think I am really beginning to 'see' into you and understand you. it is very interesting. And since I was raised up on the KJV, I will just have to try to 'see' where others are coming from. Even as a child I would get feriously defendant of the KJV when I heard others trying to slam it with that silly thing about the, eh, outdated English. Now I am suppossing that is what, or part of what has influenced you. Since you have already stated that you do not read it, or have read it only a small amount, I seriously doubt it is your own aggitation with the language of the KJV, but rather having been influenced by what other's say?????? I have absolutly no trouble with the language of the KJV> in fact I love it and feel that to change it is being disrespectful to the Holy God....meaning.....I feel that for me to say to God, you are thus and thus and you are great, is somehow trying to bring him down to a human level. Now that may not be true to HIM, but I feel it that way. Same way I was raised to say Mr. B. or Mrs. C. not hey sis, sort of thing. See? No calling adults by their given names. seems disrespectful. But to say to God, thy kingdom come, (not your kingdom come) seems much more sacred to me. (may not be, but that is how I feel it). But that is not the main thing. The main thing is the CHANGES. God said I change not. God said do not add to his words, do not take away from his words. That is serious business. And since the KJV is the one which seems to have been so hated by Satan, and the ones who did this great work, were so persecuted and killed, and since God has told us the evil persecute the righteous, and since those who did the NIV, were NOT persecuted but rather praised, (as they do the false prophets) then upon that I must say the KJV is the one I trust. But if you love God and do your best to know him and serve him, I do not think He will cast you away, as you stated, he knows your heart. But I do think we are commanded to study the Word. And with the inspiration of the Holy ghost, and the right Scripture, we can come to understand the DEEP things of God. He is not with-holding those glorious things from us. But it does take time, and learning here a little, there a little, to get it. God does teach me deep mysteries and these mysteries are so mysterious to the church folks, that they think it is heresy. But it is the truth. and it is proven by not crossing any Scripture. Gabriel did not beget Jesus. That is false teaching. The BEGOTTEN Son is the resurrected Christ, not the baby Mary birthed. That is one of the great mysteries, which the world hates and despises and calls false. But it is solidly proven to be the truth. When and if you have time, and so desire, please take the time to read the message I wrote, called Emmanuel. It is a stationary page here. You can find it on the left in the links. Also read the other one, Proof of Emmanuel. You may not see it at first, or be able to agree with it. But I will be glad to walk you through it if you desire. It is the MOST BEAUTIFUL REVELATION. I started receiving this message from God, back in about 1979. As I was reading in Isa. 8, one night, all of a sudden God showed me a mystery. See, Jesus was NOT the only son born to a virgin. There was another one, as there must always be at least two witnesses of anything with God. And Jesus was the virgin which Isa. 7 prophecies about. Jesus himself is that virgin to God. He bore the Emmanuel. It was his own life, perfected to God. His inner man was the Emmanuel. The one born of the Holy Ghost, which he was given at his baptism. It was not at his natural conception or birth. Will say no more about this right now. But all i can say to you right now, is do just throw this away, just because you have not heard it taught before. Learn not to do that with God's things. Take the time to search it out and prove it one way or the other. Thanks for praying for me. I am also praying for you. Jo | |
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| Hi Jo, It's cool and yeah I get it.. This is why I like talking to people who disagree with me but who *earnestly desire God's will.* Iron sharpens iron as the Proverbs say. And then of course sometimes I fail and wuss out.. But I do get the permanence angle. No one told me that about the KJV. I have seen it from time to time. I read a *lot*. I remember reading it and thinking this language is very confusing.. Anyway don't have time to really respond right now, or perhaps ever.. I dunno about you but the time I spend talking to people about these issues is sort of like the tip of the iceberg compared to the prayer and talking to God side.. it's more like ... hm ... taking time to talk about this one small part.. But yes, Satan hates the KJV. He HATED that those men took the Bible and translated it into language anyone could understand. He hates the Bible in general.. It's just ... I'm not here to battle Satan in that sense. Satan hates all of us really, and that doesn't mean I love everyone either.. Etc. etc.. I will try to look at your message but what you said sounds like treading into weird interpretation territory to me. I try to keep the main thing the main thing and not walk over into fables.. I assume you mean Isaiah, and the woman shall conceive, and the prophetess who conceived Immanuel.. And ... a lot of stuff I simply cannot get into it to do with all that. But yes, God knows my heart and yours.. He knows your heart, Jo. :) Gotta run, like 5 minutes ago. =D Hope you had a good weekend and didn't work too hard sounds like you had a time of it. Love in Christ, Anne | |
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| Anne, do not be concerned with my spiritual standing. I am on very solid ground. Everything which God reveals to me is totally in complete harmony with the pure Word of God. The other doctrines, which you probably accept without question, simply because it is what Babylon, or the main stream religion churches believe. like 'incarnate god' for instance. They all believe this lie. But do a search of that word. It is not one time written in Scripture, so it did not come from God. See, God cannot die. God is an eternal Spirit. Jesus said in Luke, after his resurrection, feel me and see that a spirit has NOT flesh and bone as you see me have............meaning I AM NOT A SPIRIT, EVEN NOW. So he was not god, even then. He is still God's son, human, whom God elevated to sit upon the throne of God and be our God. Now that is the glory. A baby in a manger is not the glory. A man, beaten and dying on a cross is not the glory. Believe me. That is not the glory they beheld. It was the resurrected Christ which is where they saw God's glory. So perhaps, (I am sure) the church is the one out in foreign territory, as far as true interpretation of God's word goes. If a person took the time to really compare, they would find that nothing the church, or ministers teach, matches the true Word of God. So of course the pure truth sounds foreign to these men-followers. When they stress men's comentariers more than the written Scriptures, you can be sure they do not have the Holy Ghost anointing teaching them. I know that I do. So do not worry about me. I know that my God teaches me his pure truth. I prove everything I teach with Scripture, not some man-made books. If you will just read the proof of Emmanuel message, I think you can see what the truth is. If not, at least you will have been exposed to this truth. Jesus is not God, only in the fact that God set him up to be our god and our father. He was not God on earth. God did not leave his lofty throne and decend into Mary's womb. That simply did not happen. Mary gave birth to a full human being. He was not half man and half God, nor was he, nor could he be, fully man and fully God, as the FALSE TEACHERS CLAIM. You cannot find those statements written in Scripture. But what I said is written there. That is where I read it. anyway, I am glad you are honest about these things, and I pray that someday you will come into the real truth. or rather more of the deep truths of God. Jo | |
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