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From: MSN NicknameFallenFairy69  (Original Message)Sent: 12/8/2004 2:13 PM
I didn't really know where to put this so if it's out of place please feel free to move it.
First off,We have been having some very bad home security issues lately.My husband and I talked everything over last night.The appartments That we live in won't let us install a home security alarm,we looked into the pros and cons of gun ownership and decided aganst it.Then we talked about getting a big Doberman.That is something that we can do,plus we were wanting another baby anyway.
So My questions are is it ok to get a big Doberman and still have Jack?Second Does anyone know of a good,reputable breeder that we could get one from?
This dog will be a house pet and will have every thing that my little one does.We just want a big dog for scare factor.Thank you all for your time and consideration.


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From: MSN NicknamePhoebesmama1Sent: 12/8/2004 3:37 PM
You might check in your area to see if there is a doberman rescue.  They rescue dobermans from shelters and from people who can't or won't take care of them.  You don't usually see very many puppies though.  I don't know what age you are looking for. If you go to www.dogsaver.org/doberman you can find out more.  As for having a dobie and a min pin.  I think it would depend on the dogs. But I know people who own both and they get along fine.  Good luck. 

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From: MSN NicknameFallenFairy69Sent: 12/9/2004 12:38 AM
i would rather get one from a breeder because of my bad experiance with resques in the past.Plus most turn you down flat when you say that you live in an appartment with lots of steps and no fence.Plus I feel that if it grew up with Jack they would be better friends.I forgot o mention earlier that I live in knoxville,TN.I would be willing to go some distanctance to get a puppy but If it's not local I would like to meet half way.

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From: MSN NicknameRedMinPinSent: 12/9/2004 3:22 AM
You might also want to check into getting the alarms that go on your windows.  I don't think they can be put on a door though  There is no drilling required, and I believe they stick to the windows.  That really wouldn't be installing an alarm system because there is no wiring.  They do make a noise if the point of contact is broken.  I don't know how well they work, but they are on Home Depot's website if you want to give it a look.

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From: MSN NicknameRedMinPinSent: 12/9/2004 3:27 AM
Hey, here's a better one at Lowes if your apartment owners would approve!
 

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From: SpinnersGuardianSent: 12/9/2004 9:55 AM
You said the rescues turned you down because you live in an apt. I don't think you should get a Doberman if you live in an apt. either. A big dog like that needs more exercise than you'd be able to give it. It wouldn't be fair to the dog. There would be problems. I'd go wiith the gun.
If you think a Doberman would stop a burglar, you're dead wrong. They're not stupid, they carry a hammer with them and a quick tap on the head and your Doberman goes to the rainbow bridge. You think the loud bark would detour crime? What about your neighbors in the apts. next to, under, or above yours? You'd be forced to debark that dog real quick like.

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From: MSN Nicknamesukiebrown1Sent: 12/10/2004 3:15 AM
 
I'm w/you Spnner's Guardian, I can't imagine keeping a Dobie in an apt., how cruel. There are much smaller breeds that would wreak alot of damage on an attacker if they could dodge the attacker's boot or whatever.  I can see keeping a small dog in an apt. as a companion but can't really see using it for guarding the place to begin with. 
I'm sure there are security devices that would sound an alarm if you had an univited intruder.  Please investigate such possibilities.
Janice
I raised Dobies as family pets for many years & I know they are a 'on the go' type of breed so believe me it wouldn't work.
 
 
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You said the rescues turned you down because you live in an apt. I don't think you should get a Doberman if you live in an apt. either. A big dog like that needs more exercise than you'd be able to give it. It wouldn't be fair to the dog. There would be problems. I'd go wiith the gun.
If you think a Doberman would stop a burglar, you're dead wrong. They're not stupid, they carry a hammer with them and a quick tap on the head and your Doberman goes to the rainbow bridge. You think the loud bark would detour crime? What about your neighbors in the apts. next to, under, or above yours? You'd be forced to debark that dog real quick like.

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From: SpinnersGuardianSent: 12/10/2004 6:49 AM
A Doberman is a working dog and anyone who gets one to confine to an apt. or home without a yard is begging for behavioral problems. I just put on another thread on here about the millions of dogs that are killed every year for behavioral problems when they were bred for this behavior. The pounds and breed rescues are full of Dobermans, Shepherds, Huskies etc. because people bought them on a whim without doing homework on the breed. People get working dogs and then whine "he chewed up my sofa" or "he tore up the carpeting". What do you expect from a working dog that has nothing to do, lay there like a zombie all day?
I had a Cairn terrier for 14 years. She would have preferred death over not being able to go outside and hunt rodents everyday. My Dachshund would prefer death over not being able to go outside and dig huge crators in the yard. My minpin would prefer death over not being able to go outside and run like the wind on his long legs everyday. I feel a dog is a life time commitment.

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From: MSN NicknameFallenFairy69Sent: 12/10/2004 11:07 PM
First off The secuity problems I was refering to were not break ins.Secondly,The appartments that i live in are big dog friendly.There are many bigger dogs than Doberman's that live here.There is no one that lives above or below us,There is only one appartment per building and we are on the end.The man that lives next to us has a great dane,a boxer,and a lab.
Most of all I'm not stupid when it comes to dogs as everyone seems to be implying.I grew up with pit bulls and dobermans.I know that a dog is not going to stop a break in,but then I'm not dealing with break ins.Plus if my post above had been carefully read you would have seen the reason that I wanted the dog.First as a pet and then as a fear factor for the things that have been going on.Maybe you could ask a few questions before you assume that everyone is a bad person.

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From: SpinnersGuardianSent: 12/11/2004 11:35 AM
I didn't assume you were a bad person. You said the rescues turn those down who live in an apartment with no fence and lots of steps. That "lots of steps" doesn't sound like a ground floor apartment.
I don't know what your security issues are since it isn't being burglarized, or why your landlord wouldn't allow you to install a security system,  but will allow your neighbor to have three large dogs in his apartment. This is the opposite of anything of I've ever heard and I've been a property mgr. of 480 condo units (apartments). Sometimes the ignorant young male homeowners would get a working dog. Soon after they'd have a behaviorist making housecalls. Soon after that the dog would be gone. 
 I've never heard of apartments like yours where people can have all the large dogs they want. Do they chain them in the backyard, or let them run loose? I feel sorry for the three large dogs your neighbor has in his apartment. Most would only have three dogs that size if they lived in the country where they could give them the room to run that they need. My son has two Labs. He also has 6 acres for them to run on. And they'll still be around next year and for many years after.
 
 

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