MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail
Sign in to Windows Live ID Web Search:   
go to MSNGroups 
Free Forum Hosting
 
Important Announcement Important Announcement
The MSN Groups service will close in February 2009. You can move your group to Multiply, MSN’s partner for online groups. Learn More
Cato Min Pins[email protected] 
  
What's New
  
  CMPs: Our Front Door  
  MY FIRST MIN PIN  
  Message Board  
  BREED INFO:  
  Breeding Questions?  
  CMP's Desktop_Shortcut  
  MiniaturePinschers_InColor  
  MiniaturePinschers_InColor2  
  MIN PINS IN COLOR  
  Blues and Fawns  
  HISTORY'S CLUES  
  HEALTH NOTES  
  MIN PIN BREED DISORDERS  
  DOGS GONE HOLLYWOOD!  
  SPIRIT OF USA!  
  MIN PINS WORLD  
  SEND A GREETING  
  ART GALLERY  
  OUR MIN PIN ART  
  ARTISTIC CREATIONS  
  SCREENSAVERS  
  Pictures  
  MIN PIN-UPS  
  Min Pin Albums  
  DOG ANIMATED GIFS  
  OTHER .GIFS  
  LINKS OF INTEREST  
  Puppy Mania  
  Whelping-Temp Chart  
  DOG ANIMATION 1  
  DOG ANIMATION 2  
  DOG ANIMATION 3  
  Member's Favorite Websites  
  Cato's Rox Like a Hurricane  
  dogsgonehollywood2  
  dogsgonehollywood3  
  dogsgonehollywood4  
  ANIMAL LAW  
  LOSING A PET:  
  CMP$s: The Back Door  
  Animated Gifs /Resources  
  
  
  Tools  
 
BREEDER INFO : desperately seeking advice and opinions
Choose another message board
 
     
Reply
 Message 1 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSapphireDolphin29  (Original Message)Sent: 4/22/2004 8:52 PM
Hi Everyone,
 
I am in a huge dilema and unsure what to do.  I have a 4 yr old female min pin that was bred by a Lhasa Apso.(sm breed) I am worried that if I let her have these puppies they will be too big for her because of the difference in the breeds.  I talked to the vets office and they recommended asking some Min Pin breeders their opinions.  Sooo, thats why I am here- hoping to find some advice/opinions. 
 
Has anyone ever come across something like this before? Where the min pin was bred by another breed of dog?  If so, how did it go?  Was she ok?
 
 
1.  My options are, to let her try- and hope it goes well, or possibly get a c-section.
 
2.) or Spay her right now. (which I really didn't want to do yet)
 
Any advice/and or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
 
Julie
 
 


First  Previous  2-15 of 15  Next  Last 
Reply
 Message 2 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameiamterrasomethingSent: 4/22/2004 9:18 PM
I am sure others will have lots of advise but in my opinion I would go ahead and spay and terminate just in case. (in my opinion it wouldn't be worth the risk)
 
However, I wish you lots of luck either way... :o)

Reply
 Message 3 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknametrikki_woo66Sent: 4/22/2004 10:52 PM
Few questions,        key board isn't working so bear  w/me
is this a first litter? 4 is a little old for a first litter.
how heavy and large is the father
 
if it hasnt been24 hours u can get a morning aftr shot with antibiotic injction  some risk in this  had to do this once 
 
She blew her coat but had a normal heat cycle after
 
 
 

Reply
 Message 4 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSapphireDolphin29Sent: 4/26/2004 5:27 PM
Thank you both for your input.  It is greatly appreciated.
 
Yes, this would be her first litter.  I had her scheduled to be bred her last heat cycle but the stud had injured himself so we were waiting until the next heat cycle to breed her.  I really wanted her to have ONE litter before I spayed her.
 
I was talking to another breeder and was told that often they won't "take" their first time trying to breed-   would anyone here agree or disagree with that statement? 
 
 
The male Lhasa is about 15 to 17 pounds
 
Julie

Reply
 Message 5 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameNizhoniMinPinsSent: 4/27/2004 6:55 AM
was talking to another breeder and was told that often they won't "take" their first time trying to breed-
That's a new one on me and have to say I strongly disagree!
The "morning after" shot may or may not be the one I'm familiar with. But there is a shot that can be given within 72 hrs of the mating that will abort it, but will keep her in season ......however at least in my area it's hard to find a vet that will do it...
You are taking a chance of big pups that could do her harm.....

Reply
 Message 6 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamethepuppymommmaSent: 7/18/2004 8:03 PM
I didn't have a minpin bred by another dog but did have a boston bred by a fawn minpin and the pups were very cute.males are not suppose to carry size so it would depend on the size of your female as to how big she is.I Have 15 to 16 pound female bostons and my male is a lot larger I have used and have had no problems  and mine free whelp too.But I would say the decision is up to you and to keep your vet on hand at due date.

Reply
 Message 7 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameminpinloveSent: 7/18/2004 11:57 PM

So if I breed my six lb female with a ten lb male it should not matter?? That she will determine the size of the pups??




My LIFE IS A BIG BOWL OF CHERRIES!! G

Reply
 Message 8 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameNizhoniMinPinsSent: 7/20/2004 2:14 AM
NONSENSE!

Reply
 Message 9 of 15 in Discussion 
From: Yankee-1$Sent: 7/25/2004 7:39 AM
I am in 100% agreement with alicethat it is absolute nonsense that your female will determiine the size of the pups!! Where are you getting this information????  It SCARES me!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply
 Message 10 of 15 in Discussion 
From: Yankee-1$Sent: 7/25/2004 7:44 AM
If you are still here, please update us on how your girl did. No one will chastise you for the decision you made, we are just concerned as how everything turned out.
 
Hoping all went well.
 

Reply
 Message 11 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameDobesNPinsSent: 7/26/2004 1:18 PM
..........are you sure, It's my understanding the female determines the size the pups are born at, the birth weight / size. (A little gift nature gave them so they could actually birth the pups - until man came along and started interfering and creating whole breeds of dogs who could only be born by c-section.......) Not talking about the size they will be when full grown. My 12.5" female, bred to a small (10.5') male had large 6-8oz pups. My 11.5" female bred to a larger male than her (12.5") had smaller  5-6 oz pups. So my smaller female, had smaller pups, and my larger female had larger pups (at birth) despite who they were bred to...........  Is the experience of others so different?? That you say it is nonsense?? Let's start an educational discussion rather than being amazed at what people may or may not know :o)
 
Deanna
 
 

Reply
 Message 12 of 15 in Discussion 
From: Yankee-1$Sent: 7/26/2004 2:58 PM
I agree (to a point) that the size of the female will have a determining factor on the size of the pups. But, when you are dealing with a female that is much smaller than the male (no mention of whether the minpin is on the larger end of the standard or not and a lasza can get to be a good sized dog if they are way over standard.
 
our neighbors have a "purebred" male pom who is a the same age as Sierra (tad under 11" and 6 lbs, spayed). Sounds like there wouldn't have been a problem with an accidental breeding, at least from a health standpoint right? Well, Rocky is a well proportioned pom who is about 15" and 14 or 15 pounds. Would I have taken a chance? Not in a million years!

Reply
 Message 13 of 15 in Discussion 
From: DawnSent: 7/28/2004 4:31 PM
I have personally never had a pet give birth since I left my step-father's house in my teens.  But one thing I have living proof of is my dog Hershey!  His mother was a full breed Boston Terrier, and one of the small size ones!  I don't know her actual weight, but she looked no bigger than my Min-Pin!  The dog who fathered her litter was a Beagle-Lab mix!  the family owned him, and the grandmother who was a black Lab.  The father looked to be at least 40 pounds or so!  He was very stocky.  They said their daughter brought the Boston home because a friend could no longer care for her.  Before they realized it, their Beagle-Lab had impregnated her.  she delivered 5 healthy pups who were bigger than her by 6 weeks of age!  She delivered them naturally, at home , without vet intervention!  The mom did fine, as well as all the puppies!  I don't advocate this, but it happened to these people and my dog is proof of it!  I don't really thinnk a Lhasa mixed with a Min-Pin would create birthing problems!  Lhashas aren't a giant breed or anything!
 

Reply
 Message 14 of 15 in Discussion 
From: SpinnersGuardianSent: 7/30/2004 7:35 AM
Even if the pups could be birthed easily, would you seriously want to bring a litter of unwanted puppies into this world to suffer? Finding good homes for them all is an illusion. Some will end up at the pound.

Reply
 Message 15 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameNizhoniMinPinsSent: 7/31/2004 9:01 PM

are you sure, It's my understanding the female determines the size the pups

I've been pursuing this for the past week.....can't find info anywhere that backs up this statement. From what I can gather, size of litter is determined by the female, sex is determined by the male, color is determined by the genes of both parents.....Size of the pups is determined by a combination from both parents based on chromosomes ?????


First  Previous  2-15 of 15  Next  Last 
Return to BREEDER INFO