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OFF TOPIC : The Interesting History of the Swastika
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 9/30/2007 6:01 PM
This article caught my eye, because in my family, (half of which is American Indian), North American from Canada; my grandmother had made a large quilt, (one of many home quilts), which during the War years of the early 40s, she had given to her cleaner who would pick up from the home, large items to be cleaned & returned.
 
When the Quilt was returned to  her, it was stamped, "Do not Clean, had the Nazi symbol on it"
 
............I never forgot that story, because the Swastika, the symbol that was boldly embroidered on her Quilt, by her able, and creative hands, was none other then the Native American symbol for Good Luck and Good Harvest in life.
 
Here is the true story of this Good Luck Symbol, and apparently, it was in many many cultures before Hitler got ahold of it, and corrupted it's meaning, by (according to my grandmother) reversing the  lines to go in the opposite direction, in the outline of it.
 
In other words, they "REVERSED"....the symbol for hatred, rather then luck & positiveness.
 
 
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Swastika is the oldest religious symbol known to the human race and is widely recognised in various cultures all across the world. Swastika derives from the oldest way of life called Vedic Dharma or original form of Hindu Dharma. Vedic Dharma- is the form of a religion based on the philosophy of life taught by God through the four scriptures called Vedas. Swastika represents all four Vedas. Geometrically, the symbol consists of four parts and points towards four directions. If the Swastika is turned around from the centre clock-wise or anti-clockwise, it does not make any geometrical or physical changes. This represents the unchanging, all directional and endless nature of God. Swastika is the symbol of divinity therefore it is a fundamental part of all religious ceremonies of Hindus and others. Swastikas can be seen adorned in ceremonies of birth, marriage and festivals. The Swastika does not come from anti-Semitic origins; it derives from the ancient language of Vedic Dharma, Sanskrit. In Sanskrit, Swastika means auspiciousness. The Shlok “swasti na indro vruddhastravaha svastinah pusha vishvavedaha! Swasti nastakshya arishtanemihi svastino bruhaspatirdadhatu!! of yajurved defines the swastika saying, “May all mighty god of infinite glory be auspicious to us, May the all knowing Lords of the universe be of auspiciousness to us. May the powerful protection of the universe bring auspiciousness to us May the Lord of Lords. The supreme being brings fortune to us.�?BR>
Vedic Dharma or its sects which include Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism, have never done anything wrong to other religions, they have never waged any atrocities on other faiths. Vedic (Hindu) Dharma teaches the principles of help, charity, tolerance and non-violence with exceptional limitation of self-defence. The living example of its greatness is in the thousands of years old settlements of Jews and Parsi’s (Persian Zoroastrians) in India, who have practised their faith freely and without any persecution and their community flourished in India with respects and dignity and freedom. The deplorable deed perpetrated by Hitler for his own gain, fame and supremacy had nothing to do with Vedic/Hindu Dharma or its sects.

The presence of Swastika is evident in various civilisations such as the Egyptians, Mayans, Aztec, Inca, Native Americans, Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Japanese, ancient Troy and Celts to name but a few and that derived from the Vedic Dharma of Aryans of Bharat or India.
Romans were very much familiar with the symbol of swastika, for them it is was an Etruscan symbol from which the Roman culture derived. Romans considered it as the emblem of their Supreme God Jupiter. Romans freely used the both handed Swastikas in decorating the mosaic floors and walls of Pompeii. They widely used the pattern of Swastika on the temples, altars, household potteries & goods, brooches in their conquered territories in Europe and British isle and North Africa. Roman Altar found near the Great Roman Wall in Northumberland, England, has two Swastikas carved on either side of a crescent moon.
Greeks believed Swastika as sacred symbol and associated it with the Apollo, their Sun God. The statue of Apollo in his chariot at historical museum in Vienna has a large Swastika depicted on his chest. Greeks called Swastika a Gammadion and used it very extensively on terracotta figures, tiles, shields, coins.

Aztec, Mayan and Inca civilisation in central and South America also used Swastika freely along with whirly form of Swastika in their art work and in their temples. Swastika has migrated across many cultures, races and religions and has become the universal symbol. It is amazing fact how this non-violent and kind symbol found its way even into Islamic Mosques! The Friday Mosque in Sfahan, Iran, has lots of beautiful mosaic symbols in various places and many of them have beautiful and colourful images of Swastika designed.

People may think Swastikas would be oddly out of place in a Christian church, but the Swastika has a long history as a symbol for Christ. During the first three centuries A.D, it is said, the Swastika was the only form of cross used by Christians in catacombs and churches. It was a disguised form of the cross and a unifying symbol among those who survived a common persecution. In Rome, it is called Crux Dissimulata because the early Christians concealed themselves, the Church did not adopt the crucifix until the sixth century when Christianity had become the official religion of Rome. Swastikas can be seen decorating the Christian Catacombs of Rome.

In Japan Swastika is called Manji, named after an ancient God. It is found on major temples and street-corner shrines in Japan and far eastern countries. The Chinese called it “Wan�? The ancient Chinese Falun Dafa or Gong practitioners have five Swastikas in their organisation’s logo and they hold very high respects for Swastika and they have been propagating worldwide for re-establishing the use of Swastika again in its original purpose. Swastika was widely used in ancient Persia, now known as Iran, before the Islamic invasion.

Swastika is originated in Aryavarta, present Bharat or India as westerner calls it. It is the first meaningful symbol of human race. In the present day it is evident that Swastika is prominent religious symbol in East. It is worshipped in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Taoism many millenniums and centuries before Jesus Christ and respected by many in the Asian continent. Swastika is part and parcel of daily life and worship for the people of Asian and Eastern countries. Swastika is present everywhere in India! The lesser-publicised aspect of the Swastika symbol is the positive presence of Swastika in the western world prior to World War II. , The Swastika was widely used on good luck greeting cards, as part of company logos and promotions. Even the world famous drinks company “Coca-Cola�? in 1925, made a lucky watch fob in the shape of a Swastika. There is much evidence that Swastika was used as a lucky talisman in Britain, America and much of Europe just prior to the Second World War.

In 1908, the American Sears catalogue had many ladies�?Swastika hatpins and pendants for sale. In Scandinavia, the Swastika is called the Hammer of Thor, which derived from the Vikings. Commercially it found its way to become the registered trademark of world famous Carlsberg lager as early as 1881 and continued to be used up until 1938. The Entrance of the Famous Carlsberg Brewery in Denmark guarded by four 5 meter huge granite Elephants with a swastika carved in the sides are living proof which all that`s left from the Carlsberg’s wide use of the Swastika symbol as part of its company logo. The Finnish Air Force marked Swastika in blue paint as a national emblem and good luck symbol which they call Haka Risti (locked cross), on all their planes from 1918 until 1945 when it was changed because they were mistaken for Nazi planes. The Iceland Steam Company still flies blue and white flag with Swastika on it and they have refused to give up and continued to fly their flags as part of their heritage. In 1916 the British printed War Savings Stamps with white Swastika, which was years before Nazi’s adopted it as their symbol. The scouts�?organisation used to give an award of Thanks Badge depicted with Swastika for the fellowship of the organisation until 1940. Swastika was commonly used as trademark, company logo and names of companies and organisations in Mexico. New Mexico is the land of Swastika. Swastika was once a state symbol and appeared on all highway signs and state flags, now replaced by sunrays after World War II. Before II WORLD WAR, Americans and Canadians used the symbol and name in trade very extensively. There were cars named ‘Krit�?manufactured in Detroit from 1909 to 1916 which bore Swastika trademark on them, The Gaede family of Gaede Ranch and Gaede Cattle Company in America still uses Swastika as their company logo and mark their cattle with swastika symbol as their Hamish and Mennonite ancestors used them on their barns for good luck sign. The Laguna Bridge on the Colorado River between Arizona and California near Yuma, built in 1905, has forty seven Swastika carved on the edges of the bridge. The city of Glendale in Greater Los Angeles has 930 iron lamp-posts of 1920’s time with Swastika on the bottom base in circle. To everyone’s surprise the town named Swastika exist in Ontario, Canada (Not In India!) since 1911! After II World War, tremendous pressure was put on the residents of the town by Canadian Government to change its name from Swastika to Winston to honour Winston Churchill, then Prime minister of England, but the people fought back and retained their beloved name of their town with many business companies associated their names with Swastika . In Dublin, Ireland, there is a company called Swastika Laundry Ltd with its Swastika logo is still in operation since 1912, expanding and prospering with the blessings and Good Luck of Swastika. The Russian Tsar’s luxurious coach was decorated with Swastika symbol in the front same as German Mercedes Benz displays it logo of Star on the bonnet. These are but a few examples of Swastika’s presence in the world. Do these examples not show how popular the Swastika has been all over the world?

To, many people’s astonishment, there are many evidence of the existence of Swastika in Judaism and its free use in synagogue with The Star of David, The Holy Symbol Of Judaism. A secret monastic brotherhood of Jews called the Essenes lived in Palestine from the second century B.C. to the end of the first century A.D. To them, the Swastika was a sacred sign representing the Wheel of Eternal Life. The Free Masons claims that the use of Swastika derived to them from the masons who built King Solomon’s Temple. The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia (1939-1943) says, “The Swastika appears on various articles excavated in Palestine, on ancient synagogues in Galilee and Syria, and on the Jewish catacombs at the Villa Torlonia in Rome.�?Webster’s New American Dictionary (1959 edition) gives information as an ancient Jewish religious symbol.

In Hinduism, the Swastika is often drawn inside Yantra, what is known in Judaism as The Star of David. In the synagogue at Tel Hum, Capernaum, Swastika is found on the breeze side by side with the Star of David, The Holiest Symbol Of Judaism. This proves that Swastika was also an ancient Hebrew religious sign. Another example of the use of Swastika by the people of Jewish origin can be found in the USA; in 1916 the Portland Oregonian Newspaper ran an advertisement for Pacific Coast Biscuits, a Jewish firm that made Matzos. A large Swastika dominates the advertisement, which claims, “The Trademark Stands for Supreme Quality�? It is clear that Jews, as well as other peoples across the globe have used the Swastika as a decoration, a symbol of pride, spirituality, good fortune, prosperity and love.

There are lovers and worshippers of Swastika all over the world. If European and any world politicians consider to take such irresponsible, unworthy and unthinkable decision to ban the humble symbol of Swastika, they must first consider to ban the Green Flag with Crescent Moon and Star of Islam, as there is no other barbaric, cruel and such a large scale holocaust ever happened in the history of mankind than the Islamic Crusade And Jehad from the day of its inception to today under the same symbol and flag. The Vedic or Hindu holocaust, meaning the genocide of Zorostrians, Hidus, Sikhs, Jains and Budhists of Aryavarta (Persia and Bharat) by the regime of Islam has no match. Those atrocities and butcheries inflicted on those people by Islamic fanatics can not be describe and compare to any other holocaust in the history of humanity. Secondly, the European politicians must consider the ban of Holy Cross also, as the same symbol is responsible for the barbaric acts of Ku Klux Klan, The Followers Of Christianity, after burning millions of innocent black Negroes alive, after tying them on the symbol of Holy Cross. This presents itself as an open and real challenge to the German and other European politicians as well as other world politicians who support the ban of Swastika! The treatment and attitude toward Swastika must be different to that of the Holy Cross and Islamic flag as the perpetrators were of their own religion while Swastika did not have any relation with Hitler on religious ground and it has represented goodness and universal humanity all over the world. Even if the world holds these symbols of Christianity and Islam on the ground of their use, still Swastika can not be held responsible in the same way as them.

These events in the history have never portrayed the Holy Cross or Islamic flag as the symbols of terror or death and these symbols have ever been condemned and banned, unlike the fate of Swastika. Therefore condemning a symbol that has no real connection to a megalomaniac’s misguided interpretation is unjustifiable and unlawful in comparison to case history.


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From: MSN NicknameArchanNoor1Sent: 10/24/2007 8:25 PM
I posted a similar article a little while ago on MEOF-Reload.
How are you Cayce/CaringL. Haven't seen you on board lately.

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From: MSN NicknameArchanNoor1Sent: 10/24/2007 8:26 PM
It's been said Hitler was into the Occult.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/24/2007 8:59 PM
Hi Archan Noor!!.............haven't been bothering myself lately with the Political groups, as they are so boringly, blinders on when it comes to the US , Israel the Palestinians, and the whole world MESS absolutely impossible, to penetrate with this kind of hatred they seem to cling to.
 
Gets a bit tiring.......I'm sure you too, take a break occasionally from them.
 
I did however get a "emergency notice" from a group calling themselves, Political Maximus who claim they've been "hijacked"....and created a back-up group.
 
Guess who I saw there as a member, WELL KNOWN by the others??
 
You guessed it, "Red Neck Dave".
 
the  name fits well......
 
I'll have to check and see if he is still on ME forum? as he is now posting at Political Maximus, his same old same old.
 
Bring on Armeggedon, (the hate mongers seem to relish in this thought)  It's a shame they don't realize they will be creating their own hell
 
CLM

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/24/2007 9:53 PM
YES - he was. He even kept a cadre of his own special Astrologers, who were to try & outwit England's Astrologers.
 
HOW can one outwit the Universe, btw.?? strange thinking.
 
anyway, it is true that he both had them executed as well as used them, in other words, he was Pluto personfied in many ways..
 
Manipulations and control and trying to change the universe to do HIS bidding.
 
I suppose the man was as Cayce insisted, "very gifted" but it appears from all accounts, he did himself in, with his own EGO.
 
Putting the Ego ahead of all else.
 
From this link:
 

Interest in astrology being as intense, in Germany, as it was - Ellic Howe, in Urania's children, 1967, estimates that during the twenty years after 1921 at least four hundred specialist books and pamphlets were published in that country - it was inevitable that it should be suspected that Hitler and the Nazi party made use of astrology for their own purposes. As with other homogenous groups, some astrologers supported the Nazis, some did not; on both sides, there were unhappy consequences. Dr Karl-Gunther Heimoth, for instance, a doctor and psychologist who published an astrological study of homosexuality and through it became a friend of Ernst Rohm, the chief of the Sturm-Abteilung (Hitler's private army), was murdered by the Fuhrer with Rohm and others in June 1934. The Astrological Society in Germany, on the other hand, managed to stay out of trouble, integrating with the establishment and providing a certain amount of protection for astrologers even after 1934, when the Nazis banned all 'fortune-telling', making the publication of almanacs and astrological journals illegal.

There is no evidence that Hitler himself was interested in astrology, and some evidence that he positively mistrusted it. He is often accused of having a personal astrologer, and the name most often connected with the accusation is that of Karl Ernst Krafft (1900-45). Krafft was born in Switzerland, of German descent, and became a very competent astrologer.

He also became a fervent admirer of Hitler, and on 2 November 1939, wrote to a Dr Fosel (then working for the RSHA, Himmler's secret intelligence service) warning that between 7 and 10 November Hitler's life would be in danger because of 'the possibility of an attempt at assassination by the use of explosive material'.

The Nazis were as disapproving of astrological predictions about the life of the head of state as the Caesars had been, and disregarded the warning. When on 9 November a bomb exploded at the Burgerbrau beer hall in Munich minutes after Hitler had left it, Krafft could not resist sending a telegram to Rudolf Hess pointing out that he had told them so. His original letter to Fosel was dug out of the files and shown to Hitler, who passed it to Dr Goebbels. The same day, Krafft was arrested by the Gestapo and taken in for questioning. He managed to convince them that under certain circumstances such accurate predictions were possible, and was released.

In 1940, Krafft was summoned to Berlin by Goebbels to look through the prophesies of Nostradamus and translate any of them that could be used as propaganda against the Allies. It was felt that these, if dropped into unoccupied areas, might well do something to persuade the people that government by the Nazis was in the natural order of things. And indeed, after some weeks' work, Krafft claimed to have discovered verses predicting the invasion of Holland and Belgium, and foreseeing the Third Reich and the Second World War. He produced a pamphlet based on forty quatrains of Nostradamus, designed for circulation in Belgium and France, and predicting the imminent downfall of Britain. But in May of 1941, about three months later, Hess, second in command to Hitler (after Goering) flew to Scotland in an independent attempt to arrange a peace - an attempt rewarded by the Allies with over forty years' imprisonment. Martin Bormann decided that the best way of presenting the story to the German people would be to announce that Hess was actually insane, and shortly afterwards it was announced that he had been crazed by 'hypnotists, astrologers and so on'. In Britain, The Times actually reported that Hess had been Hitler's private astrologer!

This gave the Gestapo the excuse to clamp down on astrology in general


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From: MSN NicknameArchanNoor1Sent: 10/25/2007 11:50 PM
Hi CAringLeomoon,
as far as I know the Redneck is still posting. I too haven't been on board that often.
I'm constantly getting attacked by a certain group of people. From three of them I am copying all their messages addressed to me. You never know when it will come in handy! These people complete ignore the MSN COC.
 
I heard from David (M-Franglais) that Redneck has caused trouble on several boards, I believe he even mentioned something about Redneck having caused the shut down of a community.
 
It's also amazing that W4W hasn't been on board the past two weeks and marieje pops up. There are really some not very nice people in that community.

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