| Re: Tylerguy et all
Quote: | Originally Posted by Mickhall Setanta747
In many ways I feel desperately sorry for you, You seem to feel it is normal in a democratic society to avoid discussing politics with your neighbours, for fear if you do things will get heated, You seem to believe that "aside for the troubles" what you call northern Ireland is a normal society. | But that is indeed the case Mick. And I have no problem discussing politics with anyone who cares to bring the subject up.
Quote: | As if it is possible or indeed logical to divorce the troubles from daily life. | Again - this is the case for the vast majority of people that live here. The number of apolitical people, both Catholics and non-Catholics here, might surprise you.
Quote: | When someone makes a point you feel under no obligation to answer it truthfully, nor show any respect to your fellow countrymen and women who fought for centuries to remove the English states boot from their backs. | I'm afraid you've got me confused with someone else here Mick. I am never less then honest and open. Whilst I am on occassion in error - I am only too aware of my human failings in that respect.
For my fellow countrymen and women who have "fought for centuries to remove the English boot," I give them as much respect as I give my fellow countrymen who have fought for their right to remain British also. Butmost especially, I have great respect for my fellow people for having to put up with mad terrorists for the past 30 years.
Quote: Did you never do basic British history whilst at school.
You know Elisabeth the first, Cromwell, etc., etc. For you all life starts and finishes with partition, your for it so you are not obligated to justify it no matter that the majority of your fellow Irish men and women oppose it. | I'm sorry - I wasn't alive before the 1960s. I'm not saying that the history of my own ancestors isn't relevant. But I live in the here and now... I live with what the past has created now.
Quote: | Instead you cheerfully throw statistic off the top of your head, which have no bases in fact and then when they are revealed as nonsense, you seem to feel a simple apology is all that is needed. | Other than the 50/50 recently on this thread - which I did indicate was "off the top of my head," any statistics I post are from reliable, unbiased sources. I can't help it that you get your statistics from a pro-Republican website and then expect them to be The Truth.
Quote: | You have done this on more than one occasion when posting to this list. Your arguments about the nationalist community never having received harsh treatment by the governing forces in the north is not only silly but insulting to your neighbours and extremely provocative in the most childish way. | I never, on any occassion, suggested that any "nationalist community" had or had not received harsh treatment from the "governing forces" in "the north." I did however ask you to point out how this has been so.
You talk about me being childish .. but look at your own use of language. In a rather petty and childish way, you constantly refuse to type the words Northern Ireland, unless it is surrounded by quotes. Even Sinn Féin politicians have no problem these days with saying it. You talk of "the north" or "the six counties" identifying it seperately, when Northern Ireland is its given name. You talk about insulting, but never once stop to think how it might insult me that you refer to my own part of the country in this childish manner.
And you say this from your home in England too. To me that is gall! I have told you that the problems of the Troubles don't only affect Roman Catholics or nationalists or Republicans, which you constantly ignore. You, and others here, constantly make assumptions or generalisations about people from the Protestant or unionist community. This only serves to sully the good name of Protestantism and Unionism - making it seem to the casual reader that all of them are somehow, along with the rest of the British, inherantly evil. And it is truly patronising coming from someone who is living in England or the USA.
You constantly refute my opinions, statments, statistics and facts and show that you are not willing to enter into rational discussion with someone who is of an opposing political view. If that doesn't work, you simply ignore what I have said or cast aspertions on myself by making the assumption for example, that I do not talk to my neighbours and fellow countrymen and women.
You seem also to accept that the terrorism and voilence Northern Ireland has suffered in the past 30 years is justified for various reasons, when it has been shown that the vast majority of us who actually live here are SICK of it. SICK of the murders and the bombings and the punishment beatings and the racketeering. You defend the IRA for example, by suggesting that as only 10.5% (your figure - which is, by the way wrong) of the people they have murdered were civilian, is somehow acceptable. But its not. And the people here tell you this time and time again.
And you point out only the bad points of my "wretched statelet" without once considering the benefits that Northern Ireland has enjoyed by staying within the UK.
Quote: | Im tempted to say grow up, but I fear you will still be behaving in the same mean spirited and bitter manner when your old and grey. And this is what makes me feel sorry for you most of all. | Alas Mick, I am not the one who looks back in history to find events to be angry about. I do not let what happened to my ancestors fester into a hatred for either the English or the Roman Catholics. The laugh of it is Mick, that I am not bitter or mean-spirited. And I don't think anything I have said on this forum has proven otherwise. |
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