MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail
Sign in to Windows Live ID Web Search:   
go to MSNGroups 
Free Forum Hosting
 
Important Announcement Important Announcement
The MSN Groups service will close in February 2009. You can move your group to Multiply, MSN’s partner for online groups. Learn More
FAST MOVING HEADLINESContains "mature" content, but not necessarily adult.[email protected] 
  
What's New
  
  Welcome  
  Messages  
  General  
  Pictures  
    
    
  Links  
  Great Food!  
  Great Drinks!  
  Off Topic  
  NASCAR FANS  
  Daily Trivia  
  
  
  Tools  
 
General : Another Attempt to Overturn the Election...
Choose another message board
 
     
Reply
 Message 1 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameneverCominHome  (Original Message)Sent: 11/26/2008 8:19 PM
People bringing a challenge, saying that Obama doesn't fit the 'natural-born' part of the requirements for President.  Define Natural - born.  Does the Constitution?  So does that mean that neocons who don't like Obama can all of a sudden say "OH YEAH!  Natural Born means that both mom AND dad have to be American Citizens...yeah, that's the ticket..."

Challenging Obama's Birth

From NBC’s Pete Williams
When the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court meet on Dec. 5th, in their regular private conference to decide which cases to hear, two lawsuits that have captivated a segment of the blogosphere will be up for discussion.

Both urge the court to consider claims that President-elect Obama is not qualified to be president, because he is not a natural-born American citizen.

Persistent concerns about the qualifications of both major party candidates rank among the oddest aspects of 2008's historic campaign.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution provides that "No person except a natural born citizen" is eligible to be president. John McCain's status was questioned because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and various theories have been advanced to cast doubt on Obama's.

Lawsuits over the inclusion of their names on state general-election ballots popped up around the country and were quickly dispensed with by local courts. But two challengers have pursued their cases to the Supreme Court.

Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg claims that the circumstances of Obama's birth are vague and that he may have been born in Kenya. Obama's mother, Berg asserts, later flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Leo Donofrio, a New Jersey lawyer, contends that election officials in his state failed to ensure that only legally qualified candidates were placed on the ballot. Obama may have been born in the United States, Donofrio argues, but "natural born" status depends on both parents being American citizens. Obama's father was Kenyan.

The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama. An equally high hurdle is the issue of whether Berg or Donofrio have the legal right to sue claiming a violation of the Constitution.

In dismissing Berg's complaint, a federal judge in Pennsylvania found that he failed to meet the basic test required for sustaining a lawsuit, because he couldn't show how the inclusion of Obama's name on the ballot would cause him -- apart from others -- some particular harm. Berg's stake, the judge said, "is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters."

Other courts presented with similar challenges have reached the same conclusion, ruling that there is no general legal right to sue over the Constitution's eligibility requirements. Federal courts typically reject claims of legal standing based simply on a litigant's status as a voter or taxpayer.

The Obama campaign had hoped to end the controversy last spring by releasing his actual Hawaii birth certificate. But that prompted further questions about its authenticity, which were compounded when state authorities in Hawaii said they could not vouch for it, because they were constrained by the privacy laws.

Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has "Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record," which shows that he was born there.



First  Previous  37-51 of 51  Next  Last 
Reply
 Message 37 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTebucky___34Sent: 11/28/2008 4:01 PM
I wonder wen shes going to answer the question

Reply
 Message 38 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameRayMc28Sent: 11/28/2008 6:04 PM
The "right" is STILL trying to overthrow the will of the people......get over it.....McCain LOST.......AMERICANS want Obama!!!!!! 

Reply
 Message 39 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameStinky_cheese14Sent: 11/28/2008 6:11 PM
Philip Berg is a democrat. HE is the one that initiated this. NOT THE RIGHT.

Reply
 Message 40 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameblueeyedpupilSent: 11/28/2008 7:41 PM
Well Teb, you seem go met your alloted 3 strikes so youre OUT

Reply
 Message 41 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameRayMc28Sent: 11/28/2008 7:46 PM
Lieberman is supposedly a Democrat......but he did what he could to defeat Obama.......so the point is????? Again GET OVER IT!!!!!!
 
 
AMERICANS REJECTED THE SAME OLD SH*T!!!!!

Reply
 Message 42 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameStinky_cheese14Sent: 11/28/2008 8:08 PM
Ray, pay attention!! This isn't about Obama winning and /or McCain losing, its about Democratic Lawyer Philip Berg questioning Obamas birth certificate.

Reply
 Message 43 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameRayMc28Sent: 11/28/2008 8:20 PM
I am "paying attention"........It's about another DINO grasping at straws......DINO as in Lieberman.

Reply
 Message 44 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSinclair20Sent: 11/28/2008 8:34 PM
"DINO's" are not the right though.

Reply
 Message 45 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJoethree56Sent: 11/28/2008 8:34 PM
Lawyer Slapped With $10K in Sanctions for 'Laundry List of Unethical Actions'

Shannon P. Duffy
The Legal Intelligencer
July 25, 2005
Printer-friendly Email this Article Reprints & Permissions



Finding that a Pennsylvania lawyer had committed a "laundry list of unethical actions," a federal judge has imposed more than $10,000 in sanctions and ordered the lawyer to complete six hours of ethics training.

U.S. District Judge J. Curtis Joyner's 10-page opinion in Holsworth v. Berg is packed with criticism of the conduct of attorney Philip Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa.

"Other attorneys should look to Mr. Berg's actions as a blueprint for what not to do when attempting to effectively and honorably perform the duties of the legal profession," Joyner wrote.

"This court has grown weary of Mr. Berg's continuous and brazen disrespect toward this court and his own clients. Mr. Berg's actions ... are an enormous waste of judicial time and resources that this court cannot, in good conscience, allow to go unpunished," Joyner wrote.

In the suit, Berg is accused of legal malpractice by former clients who claim his failure to respond to an ERISA claim against them led to a default judgment.

But the sanctions against Berg stem from his decision to file a third-party counterclaim of fraud against a pension fund that had sued his former clients, according to court papers.

Joyner blasted Berg for filing the fraud claim, calling it an "irresponsible decision" because the claim was "utterly barren of any scintilla of legal principles."

In the ERISA suit, Berg's former clients -- Richard Holsworth and his company, Richard's General Contracting -- were sued by a group of pension funds led by the Carpenters Health and Welfare Fund of Philadelphia and Vicinity.

Carpenters Health claimed that Holsworth and his company had failed to make required payment of fringe benefit contributions.

According to court papers, Joyner found that Berg "neglected to file a response to [Carpenter Health's] claim or provide any legal defense whatsoever for his client."

Even after a default judgment was entered against Holsworth, Joyner found that Berg "remained silent."In April 2002 -- two months after the default judgment was granted and 11 months after the suit was first filed -- Joyner found that Berg "broke his silence" by filing a petition to strike the judgment or to open the default judgment.

Berg's motion was rejected and a default judgment of more than $5,300 was entered against his clients.The judgment swelled to more than $10,000 when Carpenters Health later successfully moved for a supplemental judgment to recover more than $4,700 in attorney fees for its efforts in responding to Berg's untimely motions.

Holsworth and his wife later filed a legal malpractice suit against Berg in the Philadelphia County Court of Common Pleas, alleging that Berg negligently failed to represent them in the Carpenters Health case.

A year later, in February 2005, Berg moved to join Carpenters Health as a third-party defendant in the malpractice suit, demanding more than $20,000 in damages.

In his counterclaim, Berg alleged that the ERISA suit filed by Carpenters Health in 2001, which led to the malpractice claim against him, was "a fraud upon the court and a fraudulent taking from the Holsworths."

Carpenter Health's lawyers removed the case to federal court and filed a motion to dismiss the claim.Joyner agreed, finding that Berg's fraud claim was "frivolous" and was motivated by an intent "to harass Carpenters Health and the Holsworths, as well as to delay and disrupt the administration of justice."

The claim was fatally flawed, Joyner found, because Berg had no standing to bring suit against Carpenters Health and had "failed to conduct even a minimally reasonable inquiry before filing his complaint."

Granting summary judgment in favor of Carpenters Health, Joyner said he found it "wholly unnecessary" even to consider the facts of the ERISA case because it was "abundantly clear" that Carpenters Health was entitled to a judgment as a matter of law.

Joyner invited Carpenters Health to file a motion for Rule 11 sanctions. When it did, Joyner found that Berg "continued his trend of unprofessional conduct by, once again, failing to file a timely response."

In a footnote, Joyner said Berg's response to the sanctions motion was due on May 26. In a phone call to chambers on May 31, Joyner said, Berg's assistant requested permission to move for an extension of time, saying Berg had been out of town for two or three weeks and would not be returning until June 9.

Joyner said he agreed to accept such a request if it were filed the next day, but none was.

Instead, Joyner said, a letter signed by Berg's assistant was faxed to chambers on June 2, requesting that the deadline be extended until June 27.

Joyner said he refused because "in light of Mr. Berg's persistent and repeated neglect of his professional obligations, this court was not inclined to permit Mr. Berg to further delay the review of Carpenters Health's ripe motion."

In a June 2 opinion, Joyner found that Berg had violated Rule 11 by "filing a complaint completely devoid of any basis in fact or law, as would be apparent to any reasonable attorney after the slightest inquiry."

Berg's fraud claim, Joyner said, was "inadequately pled, not grounded in fact, time-barred, and utterly irrelevant to the pending malpractice action against him."

In his sanctions order, Joyner ordered Berg to reimburse Carpenters Health the $10,668 in attorney fees and costs it incurred in defending the claim. He also ordered Berg to complete six credits of ethics courses certified by the Pennsylvania Board of Continuing Legal Education, and recommended that Berg be investigated by the Pennsylvania Bar Association's Committee on Legal Ethics and Professional Responsibility.

On June 16, Berg filed a motion for reconsideration urging that the sanctions imposed on him should be forgiven due to "extenuating circumstances," including health problems, a three-week European business trip and financial difficulties.

Berg conceded in his brief that "there were numerous procedural errors, untimely responses and omissions," but said he "did not do so with intention or defiance."

Joyner flatly rejected the motion, saying "in no way, shape or form do the 'extenuating circumstances' proffered by Mr. Berg even begin to justify, excuse, or explain his unprofessional and unethical course of conduct throughout this matter. These transparent excuses are not only patently insufficient to meet the legal standard for a motion for reconsideration, they are insulting to this court and demeaning to the legal profession."

Berg, reached in his office, declined to comment on Joyner's decision except to say that he is considering whether to file an appeal.

Carpenters Health was represented by attorneys Sanford G. Rosenthal and Eric B. Meyer of Jennings Sigmond.

Subscribe to The Legal Intelligencer
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1122023117263

Reply
 Message 46 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameRayMc28Sent: 11/28/2008 8:38 PM
"DINO's" are not the right though.
 
 
They are certainly NOT the left They are out of step with the Democratic party.

Reply
 Message 47 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameStinky_cheese14Sent: 11/28/2008 8:50 PM
Did you vote for Gore/Lieberman?
Joe Lieberman supported the war on terror.
He voted AGAINST all the Bush tax cuts, against banning same sex marriage, against banning partial birth abortion.against Judge Alito, against drilling in anwr and was in favor of Kyoto.
 
 
BUT the democrats got rid of him because of his support of the war on terror.
 
He became an Independent Democrat, not a Republican

Reply
 Message 48 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameRayMc28Sent: 11/28/2008 9:32 PM
He PROMISED to support the Democratic candidate for president. I live in CT. I KNOW what Joe said. Not voting how the party wants in one thing ....but actively supporting the opposing candidate is grounds for banishment in my book. 

Reply
 Message 49 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameStinky_cheese14Sent: 11/28/2008 9:57 PM
A politician that lied

Reply
 Message 50 of 51 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameRayMc28Sent: 11/28/2008 10:43 PM
How many Republicans actively campaigned for Obama?????
 
NONE.
 
Lieberman couldn't stand the thought of a President putting the interests of the US ahead of Israel.

Reply
 Message 51 of 51 in Discussion 
From: ghostlyvisionSent: 11/28/2008 11:39 PM
Yea GV, why would that be relevant?
 
I didn't attach any relevance, and since I don't engage in merry-go-round silliness, I'll leave Stinky and Shruggy to debate this non-issue.
 
g/v

First  Previous  37-51 of 51  Next  Last 
Return to General