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From: nivain  (Original Message)Sent: 3/4/2003 7:02 PM
im sure this question has been asked a couple of times but im going to have to ask again (sorry). does any one know a safe way of mainline'n methadone? the reason im asking is cus its all i can find where i live.(just moved) well thanx cyas


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From: davehSent: 3/12/2003 7:50 PM
Dont inject methadone,diabeticts get injectable stuff,but the green syrup will give you a dirty dig ,cold turkey feeling,well it did me anyway.

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From: MSN NicknameThunderkiss20002000Sent: 3/19/2003 4:49 AM
Methadone in the US is made for oral consumption only. It is NOT water soluable, meaning it cannot break down if you shoot it up in a vein or muscle. In the UK they have injection form which comes in ampules, this is the only injectable kind. It is NOT used at all in the US, not for recovering addicts, not for pain patients, not in hospitals, NO WHERE. If you inject it you won't get high you will feel a burn and getting a abcess is very likely. NOTE: It's is NOT water soluable. Taking the methadone orally is the best bet because you get the full effects of the drug this way. Remember methadone is very different than other opiates. It is a very long acting opiod, that's why recovering addicts only need one dose daily to stay well. Since it is long acting and has a half life of 24 hours it stays in your system way longer. It takes most people 70-90 days to kick because it is such a long lasting drug. Most people drop a few milagrams a month when detoxing so they don't get as sick, and they even report not feeling well for at least a couple months. If someone quits taking it all of a sudden they are seriously looking at 2 to 3 months of withdrawals. I have tried to stop taking it without detoxing and I have seen many friends try as well. Methadone isn't a good drug for getting high, it's mostly used for opiate addiction. Remember as with any opiate you tolerance climbs quick if you are using it to get high. Many people overdose on it to because it is so potent.  The average person that isn't currently physically addicted to opiates can only handle up to 30mgs before overdosing. I have a brother that used to get high on the stuff for awhile, he od'd a few times. I am a methadone patient that is on it for treatment of heroin addiction. I take the same dose daily to stay well and I do not get high. Using it to get high is too dangerous and the high isn't even that good after the first couple times for those that aren't opiate dependant. Tk

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From: aaangeleeeyesSent: 3/19/2003 5:52 AM
Hi there. Methadone can be injected, but you have to cook it first. Boil it and boil it and then boil it some more. You want to cook it right down prob take about half hour on the stove in a pot. Then you still need to shoot a huge amount to get close to a good high. a 3cc or 5cc full twice should knock you on your ass - depending on your habit of course.
 
You dont want to miss the vein - it burns like hell when you miss so you will know when you are missing, pull it out quick and try in a totally different vein, cus the one you miss in will bubble up and burn for days.
 
you want to find a big vein too, and remember that once you shoot meth a few times your vein may be gone - wasted - ruined for any future injections - and this is forever -last time Ishot meth i was 18 years old, 13 yrs ago and my doctor still has trouble getting blood out of me - the meth really messes up your sites
 
oh yeah, make sure you filter after it is boiled to get as much of the impurity out as you can. then cool it off - dont shoot it hot! really kills when you do this - usually you have waited so long from boiling it you dont want to cool it off properly but it is worth cooling down, run under ice cold tap or put in freezer for a while
 
remember when cooking the juice down, you will have to cook for a long time, say you start with 500 mls, you will want to cook that down to 20 or 30 ccs total. it takes a while
 
As for powder meth - be careful with that - its very strong and can kill much easier - lost a few friends this way - didnt realize it is way stronger than junk and used the same amount as if it was junk - dead - gone forever. if you are going the powder route, check it out first, a tiny tiny tiny amount - half a grain - no more even a quarter grain - better safe than sorry
 
If this has scared you - good I am glad - if you still want your meth to kick in quicker drink a coffee right after - the caffiene seems to speed up the reaction -
 
Peace
 
Diana (clean 2 years)

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From: MSN NicknameCruperdoodleSent: 1/8/2004 4:21 AM
Niavin - I just read your message from March(?) regarding shooting meth.  I have done it. It is nasty  nasty nasty.  First of all you don't get high but about 15 min after shooting it, you start to freeze  (get real cold ) . You get a migraine headache ( vomitting, inability to tolerate light) , your'e unable to move. And your body stiffens up. This lasts a couple of hours. And this is just from having the syringe coated with meth. I would not be at all surprised if you  would die from injecting a cc or two. - Nicky

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From: MSN NicknameNicholasismoving1Sent: 1/10/2004 1:34 PM
it is not buffered so never do that with any US methadone products, also the 40mg pill will burn your mouth. Be careful. methadone ampoles for injection are buffered.
pb.

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From: MSN NicknameSuziblues2Sent: 1/31/2004 7:35 PM
Hi Ciya,
i've shot up meth a few times.  You have to shoot up so much to feel it though, it's not really worth it.  I'd much rather just drink it.  The kind of meth I'm on is the liquid kind, it's red and suppose to taste like cherry flavor.  It tastes really bad.  Anyways, I did shoot it up and nothing bad happened to me, but my sister used to shoot it up ALL the time.......and she is dead.  She used to fill up a bunch of syringes and shoot them up one right after the other too get a lot of it in her.  One time she found this reallly big glass syringe and she would use that.  It was the equivilant to about 5 normal syringes.  I don't think shooting up methadone is such a good idea.  It didn't kill my sister, but it didn't help her health either.  She had some pretty nasty sores on her arm/hands where she used to shoot it up.  She was totally addicted to shooting it up though.  She was so addicted to shooting it up that she would go to the clinic, pretend like she was drinking her meth, then when she got outside of the clinic she would spit it out into a little jar and then shoot it up.  Nasty.  Anyways, when I shot it up a few times I got high off it but like I said, I had to shoot up A LOT of it.  I didn't boil it or anything like that.  I just took it straight out of the little bottle from my 'take home' methadone.  So if you do decide to shoot it up, just be careful........I wouldn't recommend it.
Peace,
Suzi

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From: MSN NicknameConsolingClaudeSent: 2/3/2004 12:32 AM
Suzi,
              you have to be real careful in choosing to inject oral form of methadone. Whether it's the 40mg diskett or the liquid syrup as this stuff has ingredients that will damage your veins and other parts of your body such as your heart. This form of meth is not buffered so it is actual dangerous to inject it. Also I believe when one makes a conscious decision to stop using illicit opiates which includes the destructive behavior that goes with addiction that it defeats the intended purpose of being on methadone for theraupeutic value. I am making no judgement only stating the reality that one is faced with and to try my best to implement harm reduction.
 
claude

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From: JosephineSent: 2/3/2004 3:59 AM
Unless you've recently moved to Europe, I doubt you'll find an injectible methadone.  As for boiling down the discs, all I can say is "not too smart".  You end up with the smae problem you'd have shooting oxycontin - the particles in the oral methadone are not compatible with intravenous use due to their size and chemical composition.  It's not exactly legal, but there are ways to get the injectible ampules into this county; it involves a long and tedious process of contacting Sipla, which is in India, and waiting to see if they approve you.  Anyone here who is or knows anyone with HIV is probably familiar with Sipla - in addition to detox drugs, they are the largest producer of a generic of the "AIDS cocktail".  This is where the issues with approval come in -
 
For years, the medical research company Pfziser has held the patents for drugs like the cocktails and the like.  They also lead the development of alternatives to heroin once it was ruled to be a poor choice for treating morphine and opium addicts.  Becasue they hold the patents, they have a certain amout of control over pricing - which is why so many drugs are overpriced in this country.  I don't know the exact stats on the methadone - I worked with them in the past primarily for the benefit of some of my AIDS patients - but for the cocktail drugs, they can supply a generic product in the patient's desired form for roughly $150 total cost per month, versus the several thousand it costs here in the US.  If you choose to work with them for that  or to inquire about getting intravenous methadone, you're going to need a strong advocate on your side.  Why?  because if you don't, you're going to wind up in huge trouble with Pfziser, who can sue the shit out of you for "patent infringement".
 
but there is a ray of hope for you yet!  If you can deal with the oral methadone (which, consequently, I have been told is great for craving control due to it's half-life of Doom!) for a while, in 2006 Pfziser's patent on a number of medications is set to expire.  You just have to see if their time-release methadone patent runs out then.  Afer that, just look into a <b>Legal</b> way to bring the ampules into the country.  I'd hat to see you have to go through all that shit just to end up in jail if you don't get an advocate to clear it through the boarders for you.
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamekansasgirl64068Sent: 6/12/2004 4:22 AM
frist of all we are all here for recovery i am on 230mg and doing it to function and i think you all are talking imature you all are suppose to be giving advice what if someone didn't  know if you could even shoot it up well now they do and i really think you all should be helping others.

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From: MSN NicknameLovingmom2433Sent: 6/12/2004 12:44 PM
Dear Kansas,
Is  there   something you need help with that you feel someone has ignored you about?  It wasnt anyones intention.
Yes maybe you think some of us are acting  immature but life is just too damn serious sometime.
Love karen

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From: MSN NicknamewildlibragainSent: 6/12/2004 2:15 PM
Reading back over the thread there seemed to be a lot of advice in response to the original question.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that causing a smile on occassion IS being helpful. Everyone here is or has been dealing with some very tough stuff. A bit of comic relief can be great therapy.

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From: sophiaSent: 6/12/2004 4:50 PM

Actually, Kansas Girl, we are NOT all here for recovery.  And I certainly don’t think there’s anything wrong with education, open discussion and harm reduction!  (That’s like saying if nobody ever talks about drugs or sex, people won’t do them!  Yeah, right!)  Anyway, that’s one of the coolest things about this site �?there are people here who are still using, people who know people who are using, and people who used to use but don’t anymore.   ANYONE wanting to talk about opiate addiction and all it entails can join this site and add their opinion... and that’s what makes this “motley crew�?so special.  I’ve never met a more non-judgmental, open, caring, helpful bunch.  I have been a member of this site for over a coupla years now (though I don’t post much anymore) and I was only in the beginning stages of opiate addiction when I joined�?.so this was a wonderful place for me to go and ask advice and talk to others who understood what I was going through�?I>without judgment.  Now that I am no longer using (with the help of methadone, like yourself) I still think it’s great that people from all walks of life and in all stages of addiction �?and those who have never even used heroin, like the friends and family of addicts �?can all come to HoH and vent, cry, laugh, rant…whatever you want to do!  But if you want a recovery-specific site, you need to look somewhere else!  If you want to join us, come on in and speak up!   Welcome!  <o:p></o:p>


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From: MarcoSent: 6/12/2004 9:35 PM
Hey- just want to reiterate what sophia said.  HOH, IMO isn't just here for recovery- there are millions of sites if that's what you're looking for.  People here are just looking for others to relate to, sometimes to learn specific info, to get advice on problems, to have a safe place to come no matter what stage of additcion- in recovery, trying to quit, or just plain in active addiction.  What I've loved about this site is that there aren't any judgements about whatever anyone's doing- only love offered, help given if asked for, and freedom to talk about anything opiate related and get the most emotionally honest feedback you'll find anywhere.
 
I don't know who long you've been a member, kansas, but please do stick around.  Even though we're not all about recovery, it's the best discussion board I've ever found.
 
Marco

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From: MSN Nicknamekansasgirl64068Sent: 6/12/2004 9:47 PM
I think you all took me wrong or i worded wrong It was hard for me to read this last without wanting to use after i was done but that noboby's problem but mine but i love the group alot and enjoy everones's messages I am sorry about that you all thanks- Desarae

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