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Withdrawal : Depression and Recovery
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From: MadLystor  (Original Message)Sent: 12/19/2002 1:49 AM
As brutal as the physical withdrawl symptoms can be, many people echo the sentiment that its the depression that really makes it difficult to get off the opiates. The frequent use of benzo's to kick (often in massive amounts, in my case anyways) exacerbates this problem. I discovered a supplement, called 5-HTP, which is the immediate precursor to seratonin (and a step after tryptophan), that has helped me tremendously in this regard.  I also combine this with St. John's Wort, providing a mutually synergistic effect. My apetite, my sleeping, my day-to-day disposition all seem to be somewhat regulated on this regimen. There's still a very physical component (I imagine this is related more to dopamine than seratonin)--ie. the fatigue and muscle soreness (does it ever go away?) but getting your head above water is so helpful to all other aspects of recovery.
 
I would be very much interested in tools and techniques that others have used to overcome this debilitating, and long-drawn-out, withdrawl symptom.


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From: kevHSent: 12/19/2002 9:00 AM

I agreee that 'rattle' is hell, but i've just completed a ofexidine detox and have been clean for 5 days......Benzos?   250 mg of diazipam in 24 hrs......4 hrs sleep.....have used  SJW before and its better than prozac....good luck to all  kevh

 


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From: Jenbl4Sent: 12/19/2002 10:53 PM
What is ofexidine? Just curious.
Jen

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From: kevHukSent: 12/19/2002 11:23 PM
Sorry Jen bit of a typo there..Lofexidine Hydrochloride..prescribed here in the uk , its a noradrenaline inhibitor. It takes a lot of the physical side away but it don't help with the cravings or the sleep.But its one less problem to worry about and it got me clean for the first time in 7 yrs....only 5 days but I'm feeling strong ...

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From: Jenbl4Sent: 12/20/2002 12:18 AM
hmm I'll have to look that up.

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From: luckySent: 12/20/2002 9:58 AM
I had lofexidene about 10 years ago it was origionally for high b.p and it drops your b.p to a low level-  made me feel like shit, dizzy , pins and needles fuckin horrible plus i had to take 5 every few hours-it may work if you have a small habit but there are better ways.
 
Lucky

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From: kevHukSent: 12/21/2002 1:01 AM
lucky..it drops your bp by some 20pts, and yes you feel like shit......but your not tossing and turning every 30 seconds...it really did help me to cluck....I kinow I couldnt have done it without it........

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From: JudeSent: 12/22/2002 4:23 PM
Let's see.
 
Hot showers
Hot baths
Immodium - but be careful to drink lots and lots of water, or, in the words of a friend of mine "you will never shit again"
Dicyclamine (Rx here, and look it up first, escpecially with Paxil)
BE CAREFUL OF THE BENZOS. Yes, they can help immensely, but you risk seizures if you stop them cold, which you will need to do after a while - research, research, research for your particular situation. Benzos are potentiators, but they truly are dangerous as hell combined with opies.
Diversion tactics: draw, paint, clean the house, loud music, soft music, any kind of music. Sing at the top of your lungs along with something like "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" (oh and by the way, if you know the real lyrics, send 'em to me. That song contains a lot of "there's a bathroom on the right" fillers for me.
Wear clothes that make you feel as if you look good and that are comfortable
Hot chamomile tea with a little sugar or honey helps with sleep and has a calming effect.
 
Good luck sweet friends.
Jude

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From: JudeSent: 12/23/2002 11:01 PM
"BE CAREFUL OF THE BENZOS. Yes, they can help immensely, but you risk seizures if you stop them cold,
 
--which you will need to do after a while --
 
 research, research, research for your particular situation. Benzos are potentiators, but they truly are dangerous as hell combined with opies."
 
I meant you will probably need to stop after a while -- NOT STOP C/T!!"
 
Sorry for any confusion,
Jude

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From: MSN NicknameThunderkiss20002000Sent: 12/25/2002 8:32 PM
That lofexidine sounds exactly like clonadine, a blood pressure medication used here in the US for treatment of opiate withdrawals. Too much of it is extremely dangerous, as it lowers your blood pressure considerabley. Every time I kicked with medications I got them from a herion kick doctor, actually an addiction medicine specialist that treated opiate addicts primarily. I have mentioned this before, and I think his kick kit helps so much.
1. promethazine for nausea
2. dicyclicmine for stomach cramps
3. soma for muscle aches
4. lorazepam for anxiety
5. flurazepam for sleep
6. prescption strength Immodium A.D.
7. clonadine for chills and sweats
I was always real good at kicking, the staying kicked was the hard part in my case. This doctor has his own office here in Seattle, and he also works as a doctor as one of methadone clinic's here in the city. He's a pretty cool guy, he understands that addicts fuck up and need many chances sometimes in order to make it. I wish there were more doctor's like him, patience and understanding are so necessary when dealing with addicts. I know I needed his help many a times.
Thunderkiss

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From: kevHukSent: 12/28/2002 2:47 AM
You're A1 tk...lofex is like clonidine but apparentley safer (so they tell us in the uk) It really did take a hell of a lot of the physical side away for me and i had a real fucker of a habit...digging every six hrs..my kit contained
Lofexidine Hydrochloride (Variable dose over 12 day)
Diazepam 20 mg per day for mood  (supplemented by extra street diazi 30-50 per day)
Nitrazipam 5mg (which didn't come near then temazepamn i try to keep stashed!)
Buscopan  (why!)
 
 
I'm clean and it's taken me so long.......I'm alive!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: saphireSent: 4/19/2003 3:44 AM
By 30 -50 Diazepam a day, you mean miligrams right???? 30 - 50 mgs. Not 30 -50 pills a day !!!  Hope nobody makes that mistake!!!!!!

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From: InabitSent: 8/2/2003 4:40 PM
I've done the Lofexidine Detox three times before, an found it to be a good way to get clean, unfortunatly it was the STAYIN clean I had trouble with!
I think it is the exact same as Clonidine, it even smells the same(horrid!) makes yer pee smell of it to, really chemical smell!
Its just the stayin offs hard, in the Uk they usually offer you Naltraxone (blockers) to start directly after finishin your detox, but they always made me feel like shit, just as I'd stopped feelin like shit! So I never took em. oops!
Anyway Good Luck Kev.

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