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From: MSN NicknameSnayl_14  (Original Message)Sent: 3/15/2004 6:53 PM
I am on my second day without it.  I bought methadone off the street with the last of my money - I haven't even had food in two days cause there is none & I'm too sick to panhandle or go find a place that serves.  It's March 15th.  I needed this group cause this is my FIRST time getting off it.


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From: MSN NicknameSnayl_14Sent: 4/10/2004 4:43 AM
It's Friday now.. So that's 5 days w/o H, 1 day w/o methadone & today I took a TINY sip in the afternoon cause I felt ill.  I think it was just my stomach though, adjusting to my NEW diet now that I found out I'm Hypoglycemic.  So I probably didn't need it & I bet what I took was less than 5mg so it's probably all set now

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From: MSN NicknameTexasDunesSent: 4/10/2004 5:19 AM
Hey, Just wanted to say "hang in there"and that I'm praying for you.
Take care
Dona
 

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From: MSN NicknameSnayl_14Sent: 4/10/2004 8:33 PM
thanks so much dona it means a lot to me that SOMEONE finally said something

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From: MarcoSent: 4/10/2004 9:58 PM
Hi Snayl-  I want to apologize for not posting earlier.  I know I would have been really pissed off if I had been making the posts you've made and no one responded.  I've gotten pissed for people not responding to posts where I was under so much stress than you are right now.
 
I know how hard the withdrawal you're going thru is and the tremendous strength you've shown in being able to ride it out, take the minimum amount of methadone necessary and basically just tough it out is something I could never do.  I always ended up drinking all the meth I had bought to detox myself.  It seems like you're thru the worst of the physical part, and you deserve major props for that.  But as hard as that is, in my opinion, the REALLY hard part starts now- staying clean once you've got thru the withdrawal.
 
Do you have any  plans as to what you're going to do differently this time?  Or plans to help you in some way when those cravings become so strong?  I feel that's so important- for some people NA or AA has worked, others have used counseling or therapy, others have done various other things, some have just gone it alone.  Whatever route you take, it will be hard, but you will always have the support of this board (even if you feel like you've been ignored the last few days).  Everyone kind of has to find their own way, but it doesn't have to be alone.  I hope that you find yours. If there's any way at all that I can help, I'm here.  Again, sorry for not writing earlier.
 
Marco

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From: MSN NicknameTexasDunesSent: 4/10/2004 10:35 PM
Hey, I know that sometimes it seems that no one is here when you need them, but we all are.  I read your post from Thursday and thought about it and had really good intentions of posting , but time got the better of me and didn't respond until Friday. Doesn't mean that you were out of my thoughts and prayers tho. I think what you are doing is comendable, and shows great resolve,  but it is a very tough road. Like Marco said, I hope that you have some plan as to a support system once you get clean. That is truly when the HARD part starts.
Let us know how things are going for you today. I PROMISE that I will respond.
Take care
Dona
 

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From: sophiaSent: 4/11/2004 10:35 PM
Hi Snayl -
When I read your post asking for some ideas on how to deal with the mental aspect of quitting h, I thought of this thread from about a year and a half ago that really, really helped me.  I was where you are at and was able to handle the physical aspect of it (at that point I had tried to kick about 6 times in 6 weeks - and I kept going back, obviously) but I just could not seem to get a grip on the cravings and those same thoughts and justifications that led me back to using again and again.  Anyhow, Ex wrote some enlightening words that clicked with me somehow, and I printed them out and carried them around with me for months, while I kept trying to quit and then got on methadone.  That was fourteen months ago, but Ex's tips here really spurred the mental changes I needed to get clean for REAL.   So here they are (thanks again, Ex!):
 
I have read alot of very good ideas on how to help the physical kicking thing...and they are all great...BUT...You also need some spiritual agenda too. So...here's a couple ideas!!    
KNOW that the only thing we can truly change in this life is OURSELVES...as junkies ( and i was there for many years) we think we can manipulate everything in our grasp..but the truth be told...we didn't ...we just made a way to cop and use..and TRUE change,  NAWWWWW.
 
Second....ok..this was personal here....I got down on my knees and asked for help ...from that life force that gave me breath to begin with. I begged for a change in my temptations...and my understanding of relationships... including a REAL look at myself  from an objective view point! I hope you are doing well....please post and let us know. Sincerely  Ex
 
More Mind Food              
If you're unwilling or unable to identify and consciously acknowledge your negative behaviors, characteristics or life patterns, then you will not change them. (In fact, they will only grow worse and become more entrenched in your life.) You've got to face it to replace it.
Acknowledgment means slapping yourself in the face with the brutal reality, admitting that you are getting payoffs for what you are doing, and giving yourself a no-kidding bottom-line truthful confrontation. You cannot afford the luxury of lies, denial or defensiveness.
  Sincerely Ex
 
 
(me again) I really needed to realize that I couldn't continue to live my life as I was, just without doing drugs.  I needed to look at every aspect of my life and my relationships and come up with those changes I needed to make in order to get heroin OUT of my life entirely.  I had to decide if I really wanted to quit.  Of course, part of me didn't, but I had to realize that if I really wanted to quit, I could no longer choose to ignore my actions and thoughts that allowed me to continue to use.  So I made the decision to not lie to myself any more, and commit myself to that brutal honesty and to making any changes necessary for me to stop doing heroin.  Nothing, I mean NOTHING was more important to me than quitting heroin.  Not my boyfriend, my job, my friends, nothing.  I was not going to make any more excuses.  BUT....I also had to be honest about the fact that I couldn't do it by myself.  I got on methadone and worked hard with my counselor to get me off h. 
Anyhow, I've got get going but wanted to share this with you.  Hope it helps!  Keep posting!
Love,
Sophia

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From: MSN NicknameSnayl_14Sent: 4/12/2004 4:44 PM
thanks sophia (& x) but this doesn't TECHNICALLY help me cause i CANNOT change the things that keep me on it... & i DO NOT believe in any sort of higher power. 
 
i did take a few things from here though that WILL help AND just the fact that someone else replied to my post & actually cares helps in itself..
 
Thanks to both of u

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From: MSN NicknamewildlibragainSent: 4/13/2004 5:56 AM
I didn't respond because I'm not experienced. But Sophia's repost of Ex's earlier advice reminded me. When I first wandered in here looking for information I started going back through archived posts. Some of them really helped.

Hey, I'm sorry to be nosy but how come you CANNOT change the things that keep you on it? I hope the question doesn't sound cold-hearted, I 'm asking because maybe there are at least a couple of things people here can help you work on to make it easier.

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From: MSN NicknameSnayl_14Sent: 4/13/2004 3:00 PM
thank you everyone who posted.
 
while doing it, i developed such bad panic attacks & hypoglycemia that i am pretty much UNABLE to leave my house under ANY circumstances.  so this IS my NA so to speak.
 
i have stayed off so far, i haven't even BEEN to my counselor because i can't leave the house.  but if i DO go... i cannot say anything because if i DO i will be taken off of SSI - which i'm on because of my panic attacks
 
this month i am trying as much as possible to eat according to a hypoglycemic patient's diet.  next month w/my own money, instead of drugs i'll buy what i need for my diet.  when my diet stablizes i SHOULD be able to get to a dr.  then i can apply for food stamps which will help greatly & possibly get testing supplies for my condition.
 
so far i have noticed a MAJOR difference in my ability to handle outside stimuli (even taking a few short walks from home ALONE or w/my b/f) when i do not have sugar & eat protein meals on time.  i also notice how i relapse back to my paranoid panicky state when i DO have sugar - sometimes waking w/an incredible sugar hangover! 
 
i get my food thru the generosity of my b/f's mom, but right now she's paying for his H so we get what food she can give... it's NOT cheap to eat protein every 3 hours & I'M not related to her so........ she does her best but lately my diet has been going more & more downhill.  i NEED to wait till the first & USE my money for my OWN purposes. 
 
i think the REAL test comes then.  for now... it's been easy to stay off cause i don't know when she'll decide she's not givin money for a single bag more & when she does, i don't want to be sick again & there'll BE no money for methadone...

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From: MSN NicknameSnayl_14Sent: 4/13/2004 10:20 PM
good & legitimate questions my friend. 
 
i am on section 8 - the ONLY way i can afford a place to live.  i HAVE to remain RIGHT WHERE I AM for 3 years, it's been 6 months.  unbeknownst to me i moved right 'under the supply' if you catch my drift - my upstairs neighbors are VERY helpful wink wink
 
then there's my b/f who uses & lives w/me, another thing i cannot change but THIS THING I DO NOT WISH TO CHANGE

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From: MSN NicknamewildlibragainSent: 4/14/2004 5:58 AM
Talk about rocks and hard places!!

I too had dibilating problems with panic attacks and got myself into a situation where I didn't have much in the way of alternatives either. My complications weren't as involved as yours but I was still stuck with no way out. It took what seemed forever, but eventually I got a life back.

I can only comment on that part of your situation. As I said before, I don't know about the withdrawl part. But you do seem to have a plan for addressing the hypoglycemic/panic attack problems. Hopefully as you make progress in that area it will make the other easier and visa versa.

Now that I have a bit of strength myself, I'm more than happy to pass along some to you if you need it.

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From: MSN NicknameSnayl_14Sent: 4/15/2004 4:38 AM
thanks a LOT wildibrigain
 

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From: MSN NicknamewildlibragainSent: 4/15/2004 5:35 AM
Thanks to Ex, I fixed my e-mail addy so if you ever want to talk/vent about the panic part, get in touch.

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From: MSN Nicknameazjazzman19571Sent: 6/12/2004 6:40 PM
I also had a problem with the higher power thing.I started to read books on different spiritual philosophies,such as buddhism and taoism,which I can digest much easier than christianity.The way I see it,the bottom line as far as all religions go is the same.Buddha was just a man and not a God,so  I can identify with his principals much easier.Hope this helps

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From: MSN Nicknamespacetunes1Sent: 8/1/2004 12:20 AM
This is for Snayl 14, my daughter is a complete vegan & is always telling me about the horrors of sugar. Here is a book she gave, you should check it out..
""Get the Sugar Out: 501 Simple Ways to Cut the Sugar in Any Diet"" -- by Ann Louise Gittleman; Paperback It is pretty cool book.
Greg H

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