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Talk Wrestling : Wrestlemania 23
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 Message 10 of 16 in Discussion 
From: WallStreet  in response to Message 9Sent: 4/6/2007 3:10 PM
 
I've taken a little time getting to this as I've been doing results and what not since Mania. And right now I'm kinda tired, but in short here's my thoughts.
 
MITB: I came in half way into the match, but that didn't bother me as I never get impressed by these types of matches anyway. I don't care for stunt shows, especially when Edge, who is easily my favorite wrestler in this match, is virtually guaranteed a loss. It also didn't make me ecstatic that Kennedy won as He's grown very stale to me. Although I was happy to see Jeff Hardy didn't win, although That Joy was quickly taken from me the next night on Raw when I found out I have to deal with the Hardy Boyz again. Great, two guys who can't work a mic, one guy who can't wrestle, and another guy who can wrestle alright, but isn't any better than any mid-card or top tier Indy performer out there. Yay me.
 
Kane Verses Kahli - This match happened because Bigshow and Hogan couldn't. Somebody on the creative team had a real hard on for recreating Andre/Hogan from mania three since they were in the same city it originally took place and they were determined come Hell or High water they were gonna get that. Since they couldn't do Hogan/Show, their answer became Kahli/Kane. What they didn't get was 1.) You can't recreate moments like that. There will never be another Andre-Hogan Bodyslam moment again... EVER. Especially when guys like John Cena and Brock Lesnar have lifted everyone including the bigshow anyway. Back when Hogan did it, it was still a big deal for a big man to be picked up, and especially when that bigman was the biggest around at the time, Andre. Now it's nothing... That's why I thought it was incredibly lame when John Cena couldn't lift Umaga for the FU despite having FUed The Bigshow. Regardless, I didn't expect anything good out of this match, but to WWE's credit they don't make Kahli matches long because they're just as aware as we are that he can't wrestle.
 
Benoit - MVP: This match was great. This was the best mat display of the night. I hadn't been impressed with MVP up until this point. I don't forsee the world title in his future as soon as Jeff does (if ever even), but I certainly believe this match will have a major positive impact on his career in the WWE. Great match.
 
Taker-Batista: My feed went out on this match so all I got was Radio essentially lol. So I really can't judge this match.
 
ECW - The only people in this match I cared about were Tommy Dreamer, Matt Striker, and Kevin Thorn. Sabu, Meh, whatever. Sandman's a waste of space. He's not a wrestler... Matter of fact, He's essentially no different than any guy sitting at home watching this, I dare say most people watching at home could probably out perform Sandman in everyway. Once ECW's deal with Sci Fi is over so too will Sandman's deal with the WWE. RVD... I can't wait till he goes to TNA, Because I don't watch TNA and thus won't have to see him again. I hope he breaks his leg again. Anyone else doesn't rank on my "care enough to mention" meter. Personally I thought this match went the perfect length for what it was, and what it was, was a popcorn match. A Match designed to calm the fans down from their excitement from the previous match so that they're relaxed and have the energy to get stoked about the next match.
 
Billionare V.S. Billionare - This match was too easy to read. If you even tried to convince yourself Donald Trump MIGHT lose his hair, you lost the ability to do that the minute Steve Austin got knocked out... And if that didn't tell you Lashley was gonna win, Shane having a referee's shirt should have. When Vince pulls out all the screw jobs, you know they're gonna backfire on him to put the face over. A Vince McMahon screw job hasn't gone his way since the Attitude era. As for the actual wrestling, Umaga's  great for what he is, which is a Monster. He plays his character well. If I ever see Umaga deliver a rear waistlock take down, sprawl around into a front facelock followed by a hammerlock I'll change the channel. If I ever see Umaga chain wrestle or start putting together a scientific match I'll change the channel. Umaga isn't sad, he's playing a character. It'd make ZERO sense for Umaga to work like Shawn Michaels or an 80s Ric Flair. As for Bobby Lashley... I don't like Lashley but that's because I don't like his promos and for me talking's not only AS important, but MORE important than your in ring (obviously Vince McMahon agrees since 95% of the top spot guys in the last ten years have been great talkers). But I don't know why all of a sudden people are claiming he can't wrestle. For his size he's a great wrestler. He may not work an incredibly scientific style, but it's not because he can't, it's because he's being pushed as a Beast. Some of you people really don't seem to grasp the concept of Psychology and your style making sense to your character. If you think Moves are just moves and it doesn't matter who does what move as long as they can wrestle you have no idea what the Hell you're talking about. Just because everyone doesn't work great mat classics, or stupid spot monkey specticals doesn't make them bad performers.
 
Womens Match - I don't take Women's wrestling seriously anyway so this didn't bother me. And to correct Aaron (although I feel bad doing so since he's not online anymore), Melina can wrestle quite well. You'll probably see that more when she works with Mickey James at Backlash. But don't get it twisted, Melina's good... Not that It matters that much because the Women's division is irrelevent. Ultimatly it should just be called the "Popcorn Division" because Women's matches really are only applied to the show as popcorn matches anyway.
 
Main Event - Great match. John Cena and Shawn Michaels did very well, My only criticisim of the match in itself is that Cena  didn't remember to keep selling the leg injury after Shawn Michaels worked that leg over so well for that stretch of time. But the match was good. I didn't like the finish though. If Cena was going to go over, it should have been with FU and a pin. John Cena's not a submission wrestler no matter how much they try and make us believe he is and put over his version of the STF. And for the record, that's a terrible STF, There's backyard wrestlers who apply that move better. John Cena's not as bad as everyone says he is, he just isn't very good at that perticular move and in my opinion should stop using it. I'm sure Ol' Brother Love said "Well ya know Champ, people are givin ya heat over the way ya wrestle so let's mix things up and make ya less predictable by adding a submission finish to your move list too. But don't change anything else, and don't worry about learning the hold real well, those guys you're facing can put the move over for ya." I don't blame Cena, I blame the retards in his ear.
 
But on a whole, I thought it was a solid enough show. Now mind you, I watched it for free, I may have a different opinion had I paid 50 bucks for it, but I didn't. I liked it.


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