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From: MSN NicknameLourip14  (Original Message)Sent: 4/28/2008 5:10 AM
America in Need of Leadership.
April 26/08
By
Luis Zamora

After seven and half years of the worst leadership in America history we still have some Americans believing that President Bush can walk on water and that God told Bush to attack Iraq.
We witness the devastation of America credibility in the eyes of the world, we have become the winds of war, the liars, and the hooligans who like nothing better then to pick on weaker nations and impose our will on them at a point of a gun, and for what? So the rich can become richer on the backs of the poor of Americans, where our Young are sent to some forgotten land to be slaughtered, and our leaders proclaiming that they gave their lives for American freedom, but we know ,that they gave their lives for the top leadership mistakes and blunders, which they cannot r be forgiven and should be held accountable for their actions.
Some of our top leaders of this nation should be put under the jail for the damage they have caused to this country.

Lets be clear our troopers are the best in the world, and they are doing their job well and doing what they are being ordered to do, without question, and they should be brought home as soon as possible and treated fair and heal their wounds.

In a few months some of the evil doers of this nation will go on their merry way to cause trauma at some other time, they will remain in the shadows and enjoying the rip off and gains from the tax payers, laughing all the way to the bank.

Now we have McCain, Hillary and Obama, one of them to be the next president of this great nation, let us take a good look at these candidates and in doing so, thousands of opinions spring up in our faces as to which one will be the best to run this nation as it should be managed.

I for one think that Warmonger McCain I see him as the one who continue to run this nation in the same manner as the evil doers of the Bush administration, he will have this nation at war with Iran in a blink of an eye he is still living in his POW world and only knows how to settle conflicts with a guns , and goes without saying that our troops will keep being slaughter in Iraq for years to come McCain is to old and set in his ways–Bush Ways of doing things ,to change anything.

Hillary -Will keep on going with the flow as she has done in the times gone by, she has to many pay backs to deal with --to change anything she is beholden to the special interest and the big corporations and she will do, what she is told to do, because she has to pay back for their support. She will promise the world to Americans in order to get elected, but she will never deliver on those promises, you can bet your bottom dollar on that.

Obama the new kid on the block, Can he do better then the two of the above, who knows? But One thing for sure he is not like them, he does not think like them , he does not walk like them and he does not talk like them that something new the thinking outside the White House not the same old ways the spin that we hear in every election same old thing over and
Over again. If we want Changes to take place in the White House , I think O)Obama is the man to bring those changes - perhaps he can wipe Bush feces off the halls of the White House , which stink to hi heaven for far to long .

As I see it thru the eyes of an old man.
Luis


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From: MSN NicknameJuniusJnrSent: 5/4/2008 1:35 PM
Sorry. I don't agree at all. Obama is as bad or worse a choice than McCain and Hillary has done so much whining over the boys picking on her that she is probably going to be just as ineffective where the results apply to the good of the voters as either one of the other two.
 
I deeply resent having to go to the polls every four years and cast a vote for whichever person I think will do the least evil if they get elected. This year is going to be tougher than any of the others. You couldn't hold a gun to my head and get me to vote for McCain or Obama.  I would, should she manage to manipulate the votes enough to get the democratic nod (and that democratic process of picking a candidate is a real can of worms!) consider Hillary the lesser of the evils but I don't think she will get the nomination. At least she has some idea of what is going on in Washington, unlike Obama, the newcomer who thinks we can pay the bills with hope and McCain who thinks the answer to fixing the economy is keeping a war going for 100 years. 
 
To my knowledge, there are now TWO third party candidates who are running for the office. Ralph Nader and Alan Keyes.  I'm not sure but what Nader is too old and senile to do anything and I'm trying to find out all I can about Keyes.    http://www.alankeyes.com/
 
I'm worried.

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From: MSN Nicknamepuma2371Sent: 5/20/2008 12:12 PM
luis, perhaps if we were to wake up enough to stop falling for the "leader" tag and got back to thinking of our representatives as just that "representatives", then we could begin to turn the tide.
 
we did not put mccain, hillary or obama into the positions that they are in today. the "powers that be" have manipulated us into this hobson's choice.
 
it does not matter an iota which one of the three becomes the next president. under any one of them, the constitution will continue to have less and less an impact on our government. the fed will remain in place along with its dogs of hell, the irs and the batf.
 
the united nations will remain strong and continue to undermine our sovereignty.
 
china will grow stonger until it buries us at the marketplace.
 
american citizens will continue to lose liberty and stay on the course of debt and financial destruction until the middle class no longer exists.
 
all three of these candidates are business as usual with only cosmetic differences setting them apart.
 
mccain, obama and hillary are all cfr new world order shills.
 
elections are no longer a vialble way to defend our republic, we need a revolution.

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From: MSN NicknameJuniusJnrSent: 5/25/2008 3:39 PM
puma, with regard to the "revolution" you advocate, I agree that we need to do something revolutionary. I'm all for starting a campaign to convince voters that they CAN change the system by electing third party candidates. I'd rather see a run-off election between independents than see either McCain or Obama in office.
 
I think that before any insurrection, we should try the legal process available to us and that is to VOTE.
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamepuma2371Sent: 5/26/2008 3:24 PM
junius,
 
i mostly agree with you in that an [armed] revolution would be a last resort.
 
here is the revolution that i am speaking of today.
 
1.  cut up all credit cards. get a debit card through a local credit union or small town bank.
 
2. boycott all products made by slave labor in foreign countries (or in the u.s.)
 
3. work in your community to raise consciousness as to the overthrow of the constitutional republic if the u.s.a.
 
4. get rid of your cell phone.
 
5. if you are invested in the stock market, sell your entire portfolio and refuse to invest another dime.
 
6.boycott sponsors of radio and television news and talk shows that continue to spread propaganda and refuse to face the truth.
 
7. stop believing the lie.
 
8. etc.

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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTxSent: 5/26/2008 4:10 PM
1.  cut up all credit cards. get a debit card through a local credit union or small town bank.
Done
 
2. boycott all products made by slave labor in foreign countries (or in the u.s.)
I don't buy china junk
 
3. work in your community to raise consciousness as to the overthrow of the constitutional republic if the u.s.a.
I could do more
 
4. get rid of your cell phone.
Why, it's the only phone I have?
 
5. if you are invested in the stock market, sell your entire portfolio and refuse to invest another dime.
Been out of the market for a while now
 
6.boycott sponsors of radio and television news and talk shows that continue to spread propaganda and refuse to face the truth.
I don't listen to them so I don't know who sponsors them
 
7. stop believing the lie.
Which one
 
8. etc.
Well you know we do what we can

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From: MSN Nicknamepuma2371Sent: 5/29/2008 5:57 PM
hey bob, you are definitely above average. no surprise there.
 
but...ummmmm...
 
4. get rid of your cell phone.
Why, it's the only phone I have?
 
...why?! because you are getting sriffed once a month to have it and probably giving yourself brain cancer in the process.
 
ok, i used cell phones as an example of paying into any multinational corprate monetizing scam.
 
there used to be a time when business ran on the concept that the customer is always right. this is no longer an issue for big biz. today, the customer is just a cash cow, the object is to squeeze every possible dime out of the customer while giving the customer as little as possible in return. this is called monetizing. others, who are paying attention, call it extortion. 
 
no law enforcement agency or court is going to do anything about it, only by refusing to pay tribute to these sociopaths can we curb it.
 
if you absolutely need a cell phone, get a prepaid one. at least you can control how much you have to pay for it this way and you are not forced into a long term "contract".
 
basically, make a conscious effort to fork over as little as possible to multinational corporations.
 
another little tip. you can save yourself a ton of money by shopping at yard sales whenever you get a chance. i get all my clothes at them. i wear levis, carhartts, nunn bush, k-swiss etc., etc., and get everything in new condition and never pay more than a buck an item. and its just plain fun because you never know what you are going to find.
 
got too much stuff? make some extra cash by throwing a yard sale now and then. get the barbecue running and sell hot-dogs while your at it. you may be very pleasantly surprised at the results.
 
 
 
 

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 Message 8 of 9 in Discussion 
From: OomYaaqubSent: 5/29/2008 8:39 PM
My cell phone was only twenty dollars to buy, and I only have to add another
twenty dollars every three months. It doesn't have a camera, games, or other
useless doodads. It's a PHONE, for crying out loud. I suppose it has text
messaging but being middle aged, I don't even know how to use it. I
generally accumlate time on it because I use it for its intended purpose
only: to arrange rides and reach people that it's essential for me to reach
when I'm not at home. (I don't have a car so that's a bit more important for
me than the average person; I cannot simply drive to the nearest pay phone.)
My kids have equally cheap cell phones. As a parent, I think they are a
wonderful invention for the sake of safety if nothing else (no more nonsense
about "Mom, I couldn't call because I wasn't near a phone.") The only reason
I have a LAND LINE (a truly needless expense) is to support my DSL. If
anything I can see land lines fading away, because they are ridiculously
expensive.


>From: "puma2371" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "Libertarian the Answer" <[email protected]>
>To: "Libertarian the Answer" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: America in Need of Leadership.
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:57:21 -0700
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>New Message on Libertarian the Answer
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>From: puma2371
>Message 7 in Discussion
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>hey bob, you are definitely above average. no surprise there.
>but...ummmmm... 4. get rid of your cell phone. Why, it's the only phone
>I have? ...why?! because you are getting sriffed once a month to have it
>and probably giving yourself brain cancer in the process. ok, i used cell
>phones as an example of paying into any multinational corprate monetizing
>scam. there used to be a time when business ran on the concept that the
>customer is always right. this is no longer an issue for big biz. today,
>the customer is just a cash cow, the object is to squeeze every possible
>dime out of the customer while giving the customer as little as possible in
>return. this is called monetizing. others, who are paying attention, call
>it extortion. no law enforcement agency or court is going to do anything
>about it, only by refusing to pay tribute to these sociopaths can we curb
>it. if you absolutely need a cell phone, get a prepaid one. at least you
>can control how much you have to pay for it this way and you are not forced
>into a long term "contract". basically, make a conscious effort to fork
>over as little as possible to multinational corporations. another little
>tip. you can save yourself a ton of money by shopping at yard sales
>whenever you get a chance. i get all my clothes at them. i wear levis,
>carhartts, nunn bush, k-swiss etc., etc., and get everything in new
>condition and never pay more than a buck an item. and its just plain fun
>because you never know what you are going to find. got too much stuff?
>make some extra cash by throwing a yard sale now and then. get the barbecue
>running and sell hot-dogs while your at it. you may be very pleasantly
>surprised at the results.
>
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From: MSN Nicknamepuma2371Sent: 6/4/2008 2:09 PM
oom,
 
cell phone is a wonderful invention. corporate capitalism, as it turns out, not so wonderful.

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