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Ohhhh I meant to rely to that post about your cousin!

Ok soooo your poor cousin?? getting punched in the face by her daughter(your second cousin?). Those sort of stories are horrible - make syou wonder wtf is going on in there head before during and after they carry on this way.

Sound similar to my sister too - she has never punched my mum or anything - but she has said sooo many times your never seeing my kids again etc then when SHE decides she is over it she pretends nothing happened and comes crying for help again. GRRRRRR

I see what you mean about B! I am glad you are feeling better about it all now.

I agree yes it is normal for him to be clingy to you for all the reasons you say and also just cause he loves you so much as you are his darling mummy! But no point (as you are not I know) setting yourself up to think it will be easy as. Perhaps it is going to be really hard work when bub first comes and B might not take sharing you very well so think it good you have had this concern come up now and maybe just prepare yourself for a possible tricky time while you all adjust - especially B.

At least newborns sleep alot at first so it kinda of helps them adjust slowly and you will just have set aside soem extra special times for him after bub is born while he/she is sleeping.

So yeah it may be tough but if you are mentally prepared I think thats a good thing.

I had a BIG fight with MEL on the phone tonight. Ooooooo I told her what I think of her thats for sure. She is such a Bitch!!!!!!!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Will fill you in when I get a chance.

I am off to bed.

Hope your ok Hayles and that it doesn't ruin today.

Well as I said in whatever I had a couple more teary's and a crabby day yesterday.

B must've sensed it cos he really wanted Brett more yesterday.

When Mum came over for a visit in the arvo I let it all out to her, saying with how B has been the last couple days I hope I dont regret it and wish I had of put another year between them but as she said to me, you can never tell cos some kids are great close together and some the further apart they are the worse they are.

I know this too, and it was just an in the moment thing, I nearly started crying to her again and she noticed how B was but I think he was so bad yesterday cos he missed his Saturday sleep.

I think I was so bad too cos I was very tired aswell, we stayed up watching a movie really late on Friday night and I couldnt catch that sleep back iykwim, plus hey I think I was having a few hormonal preggie days which we're allowed right? lol

Anyway today has been great, I am feeling myself again and seems B has been too, so thats good.

My sister wrote something really really nice on my fb. I know i know I was shocked too lol, but it was nice of her to say so, Mum probly told her I am getting nervous bout it!

Anyway I am sure we will all cope, I do at times wonder how I will handle it which I am sure at this point of my pregnancy - it is very common to wonder this for subsequent babies. There are a couple in my huggs thread who thinking the same atm so I know I am not alone! lol

I know we will be fine!

Hayles, grr at your fight with your sis, will have to fill us in when you can!

Kel your definetly allowed hormonal days.

I think being preg, definetly makes everything better/worse IYKWIM. Emotions are so different.

Even so early on, I've had a few moments where I think "What the hell have I done?". How am I going to handle two?

Yesterday was really tough. I walked up the stairs to the church with two friends from mg and there was the car with a tiny pink coffin sp? inside. Sniff.

I had to take Chloe and two other mums from mg took there bubs but the rest got them minded. 7 of us from mg went in total and we all sat up the back together. Michelle came in with her sister and family and was sobbing her heart out out loud - head down etc and walkig really fast to the front to sit down. Thats when I broke and started crying.

Not long after Charles (Chelseas dad) walked in carrying the coffin with music playing etc was just one of those moments you won't forget. Charles did the eulogy sp? OMG it was heartbreaking - like unimaginable. I don't think there was one man or women not crying outloud.

run down of it...

"5 years ago we thought our family had seen more than our fair share of 'bad luck' when 5 close family members passed away within a 12 month period, one of which was our son Harrison.

You can then imagine the joy and happiness when our darling Chelsea was born a healthy and happy baby. All our dreams had come true - finally we had what we have longed for a healthy baby to love and cherish and watch grow up to be a beautiful little girl. She had the biggest brownest eyes that could light up any room.... She had everyone wrapped around her finger...

The worst thing a parent could face is losing there child and we have now lost two...."

That is the bits I mostly remember and of course thanked everyone for there support etc.

he then read a poem which went something like this...

To my beautiful princess Chelsea.

You were only with us a short time,

I never got to play with you in the sand, tie a ribbon in your hair, take you to your first day of school ....

I did however get to love you more than anything in this world and I thank you for this precious time.

You are now an angle with your brother harrison please watch over me and your mummy.

The minister also did a lovely speach about how in the most prestege sp? and beautiful gardens in this world with the most skilled of gardeners there is always that one rose bud that does not fully open and does not fully mature just as children are sometimes born and do not fully bloom and reach maturity. This is just one of lifes inperfections and no one can ever answer how or why.... It went on for ages and was really nice and just bought some peace to it iykwim.

At the end of the service they had all Chelsea's photo's playing on the screen to all these songs like the wiggles - rock a by your bear and barney I love you you love me etc. So beautiful and sad.

I and a few other mg mums didnt attend the burial - it was 15 minutes away and we had to feed our babies etc and thought it better to leave it a bit more for close family and friends. So we went and had some lunch at Sharons(mg mum) house and then went to the wake after for about an hr or so. Was such a long day. We all had a good talk with Michelle at the wake and man she is so strong.

I also took some meals around with a friend Kate on Thursday afternoon and she was so welcoming saying please come in come in get the kids out of the car and bring them all in etc. She was drinking some champas and having her hair done for the following day and had her hubby and sister and friend there too. I admire her for being so strong it would be really hard seeing happy mummies with there kids and not only 1 but 3 and she didnt even bat an eyelid type thing. She touched them and talked to them and played with them. She is so lovly and would have been hard for her.

Her and her hubby are going to Vanuatu on wednesday for 7 nights. They just want to get away and be with each other and not have to be at the house and have to cook clean etc etc. Just want to be able to do nothing and greive alone now its all over. Michelle said when she gets back she would love to attend a mothers group every now and then and that was all on her own accord so thats really awsome as none of us want to loose touch and she said she will come to all the girly nights when we leave bubbies at home etc and to weeked things where we bring our partners.

All in all yesterday as hard and heartbreaking but it also bought some peace to the overall situation.

Well I read thru all that and must say I shed a bit of a tear just reading it. You described it so well I felt like I was there and could 'see' what was going on if that makes sense and your right its just heartbreakingly sad. Your friend sounds super strong and I am sure she is just plodding day by day atm and hopefully she can find the strength in her to just keep going. Your Mothers group sounds lovely and sounds as tho you have all been a great help to her.

I understand what you mean about it brought a peace to the situation, I think thats what was probly needed to.

Thanks for sharing all that with us, its an awful thing and I hope the family are doing okay.

Oh Hayles, that would've been so incredibly hard.

Reading that I had tears running down my face. Gosh it would've been hard to be there.

I agree with Kel, your mothers group sounds like a lovely supportive bunch of girls and thats great she feels she can still keep in touch.

I hope they find some happiness in the future. They sound like amazing people and deserve some happiness.

okay this is gonna be a long one so grab a drink (I just did hehe)

So you know I was saying that there is this girl at playgroup who has been making things a lil weird for everyone etc. It starts way back when she made up the big list for everyone of where we were going to go for playgroup and put lots of parks, maccas, water lagoon etc on it and I gave my opinion of it saying I would find it a lil bit too hard to go to places like that cos B is such a runner and being heavily pregnant I cannot chase him etc. Well she rang me directly bout it and we had what I thought was a good normal chat and I said you know dont change it for me alone, its just my choice not to go if I dont want to etc and she was like no no we can do this or that blah blah blah.

Then another girl said she didnt like it either and that seemed to go down okay.

Then we went to playgroup the next week and this girl didnt show and another one had told someone else that she wasnt coming anymore. I rang this girl, cos we got on okay and asked her bout it and she said she just wasnt enjoying it anymore etc.

Then when I turned the puter on that day the original girl (who planned the new list then didnt show) had sent an email very basic saying 'I am not coming any more its just our time to leave'

So then the other girl who left rang me asking if she should feel bad and I said no no if anyone should I probly should cos I disagreed with her itinerary blah blah again.

So me and my closest friend from pg had talked all about this and I said I think the original one (itinerary planner) just did it for attention and wanted ppl to crawl up her bum to ask her to stay and I said I am not doing that but the other girl who disagreed with her list DID do that and said dont leave stay etc. but she left for a few weeks and anyway randomly this girl decided to show up again one day.....didnt say anything to anyone just rocked in as if nothing had ever happened.

She looks at me and says 'are you over it yet?' (referring to my pregnancy) and I said 'no I still have 8 weeks to go so I'm fine' and she goes 'oh shit'

Then she went and sat over in a corner with her friend and didnt directly talk to me again except when we were in group convos and she we were actually butting heads because she was knocking the Base Hospital (which is where I go, and she is private) and I kept telling her she was wrong etc, cos she had never been there blah blah blah.

So anyway she then went and apparently visited the other girl who had left on her daughters b'day and said to her 'so Kel J doesnt speak to me anymore' and the other girl goes 'oh really what happened?' and she said 'I walked in spoke to her and she didnt answer'

LIKE WTF???!!!!! WHAT A LYING BIATCH!!!!!!!!

Anyway she hasnt been again to a pg since but the other girl who left came lastweek to see everyone for b'days and christmas etc and she told me the above convo, which I was mad about but got over it etc but then I dont even know what told me to do this but I was on facebook and going thru a couple the pg girls profiles and clicked on hers and she has deleted me off her friends list, just ME!! She has all the other girls still but deleted me, she has also deleted me off msn and I suppose her email too I dunno? CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?

I told a couple the other girls cos I thought hey stuff her I am not keeping it a secret and they were pretty shocked and I as I said to one of them, its pretty immature thing to do and she was like 'hell yeh cos you would think that something MAJOR had gone down' and I am like 'yeh but all I did was disagree with her stupid list!!'

I can mention here this is the girl whose lil boy is supposedly toilet trained but he is allowed to wee AND POO in the yard and is the one who stuck his finger up his bum and smelt and licked it.

They are really dirty kinda ppl that live in the bush sort've and its mean to say but they're always sick with things like gastro and diarrhoea and even had hand, foot and mouth disease a couple times this year and I think its their hygiene, they have human faeces in the yard for goodness sake!

Anyway I think that is my full story but yeh tomorrow is secret santa day and she was involved and is gonna be there so I am feeling a lil uneasy about going cos I find her so fake now and feel as tho she is trying to turn the group against me all because she didnt like that I said I didnt like her choice of pg locations. I think she is such a sneaky conniving lil two faced biatch and am a bit nervous about seeing her but am trying to not let someone like her make me feel that way.

She honestly means nothing to me now, like literally not a thing, she is obviously just not a person I need in my life and I am fine with that, I do however have to say I think I actually feel a bit sorry for her cos how she has acted is not normal, I think she may have bipolar or something? I know she was on anti-depressants for pnd but I think there is something more wrong.

Oh Kel...What a cow.

I would be so annoyed. She is really pathetic.

I agree, she is a really sad person and does NOT act normal at all.

And grosssssssss about the faeces in their yard. Ewww. That is just so disgusting.

I really hope tomorrow isn't too awkward for you.

OmG yes she is sooo not worth your time.

What a weirdo and so pathetic.

I really hope secret Santa day was ok with her there?!

Let us know what happened etc!

Glad you are trying to not let her get to you - hard though I am sure and I don't blame you.

I think you did the right thing telling the girls about it also. Then if they hear stuff from another side they now have both stories type thing and won't think bad of you for unnessesary reason.

Such stupid people out there huh!!

Anyway keep us up to date!

Was thinking of you today Kel.

Was hoping she didn't turn up hehe.

Some people are so pathetic...

yep she sure is a fruitcake! lol

She was there but it was fine. I am very proud of myself really how I am just not letting it affect me. I feel very mature, lol.

She came rather late, was last there I think and she sat way away from me so I didnt really have too much contact with her and when we ended up nearby at onepoint by the swings she just goes 'hmmm I think - girl' and I said 'oh is that your prediction is it?' and she goes yep then there was some other VERY small talk about names and then I walked away and that was literally all we said to each other all day.

I am going to be civil to her, not going to be rude or anything. She hasnt been coming much anyway and hopefully she wont next year either, hehe.

Glad it didn't go too badly.

And it always does feel good when you can be the "mature" one hey. hehe.

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