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what do you think of this? which side would you be on and why?

New Jersey's Public Health Council now requires a flu shot for all children before they enroll in preschools and daycare centers. The mandate has infuriated many parents, hundreds of whom recently gathered in protest outside the statehouse in Trenton.

Parents flooded the statehouse, carrying signs with slogans like "Parent Power" and "My Child, My Choice," and chanting "No American should be forced to play vaccine roulette with their child." They rallied for support of a "conscientious objectors" clause, which would grant exemptions for children and parents who have a moral objection to the vaccination.

Existing state law provides for medical and religious exemptions to mandatory vaccinations, but parents say that requests are not frequently granted by authorities. New Jersey officials oppose any laws allowing parents to opt out of the vaccine.

Children 6-months to 5-years-old enrolled in a daycare or preschool have until December 31, 2008 to receive both the flu and pneumococcal vaccine. New Jersey requires the most childhood shots for day-care and school admission among all states in the nation.

It should be up to the parents...some kids truly have no need for the shot, so why subject them to it for no reason? Administrations can just shut up and accept that sometimes kids get sick, and forcing tons of extra shots down them is no guarantee they won't still get sick.

There are pockets of peeps all over the US who refuse to vaccinate their kids because of the belief it causes autism. So not only are these children not allowed in school & must be homeschooled by parents without a clue & gain no socialization skills because of the limited interaction with other children, when they do get together with other kids whose parents also have not let them be vaccinated, it causes epidemics of stuff we haven't seen afflicting American kids in years.....whooping cough, diptheria, measles, mumps, polio....do these fckwits understand there still is not cure for lockjaw if their child doesn't get a tetanus shot & steps on the proverbial rusty nail? Mumps can affect fertility in boys, measles can destroy vision (Mother had it as a child & wore coke-bottle thick glasses without which she was legally blind), polio cripples & kills, pertussis & diptheria can also be fatal or lead to lifelong health issues.....even a bad case of the flu can turn into pneumonia, COPD, rheumatic fever if not properly rcognized & treated. (Smallpox is no longer a required vaccination & it's worn off already on those of use who have the telltate scar on our upper arms, just let some plague jar get loose & we're all fckd.) Conversely, should our heath care &/or tax dollars go toward treating illness & lasting complications that could've been easily prevented simply because parents choose not to vaccinate their kids? There've been cases where religious fanatics have been charged with negligent homicide because they refuse to seek medical treatment for sickness that can easily be cured with an antibiotic or a shot of insulin....I think these parents are equally criminally liable for starting epidemics & endangering everyone their un-immune kid comes into contact with (as I said, us old folks' vaccines have worn off at this pt, & we could catch measles as easily as some unvaccinated 5 yr old could, & tis much worse when one is older or already chronically ill). Vaccinations are to eradicate disease (like smallpox was), & I don't think these people should be pandered to with their objections when some of these conditions could be nonexistent by now as well were it not for this group of fckwits.

Good example of two different views, that can turn heated in no time at all!

I am of the stance, that until they prove to me, that Vx arent associated w autism, then im in the corner of not doing it either.

I dont think that parents being charged w homicide because they dont get Vx, is the samething. Its

actually, stupid to even think so, because the only reason they dont, is because theyre scared as all hell, that it will bring serious harm to their child! not that youre stupid, jo, just a stupid thought.

lol mw

My kids got the regular shots...but with the flu shot, I feel that one's different...Brian has almost never had any sort of flu or sickness or anything, and for him to have a flu shot is just plain unneccessary. But Shane, with his breathing problems and chronic bronchitis and all, the only years he's not gotten sick were the years he had a flu shot. So for him it's a different matter. But he's the ONLY person in our home that ever gets sick...so why force the others to get a shot they don't need?

I believe Jo brought up some extremely valid points...yes parents are scared...but I too believe that the disease being spread will start a whole new strain of things we havent had to deal with in decades...I still dont believe that the vaccines are the bottom cause of autism...I think it may be more enviornmental...autism only begins to show up in children at the same time they are receiving the shots so the corelation starts the fear along with media hype...Each parent needs to think about what he may be leaving his child exposed to when decideing NOT to vaccinate.....but for the most part...vaccinations have saved millions of children from terrible disease.

My humble opinion.

The original study that apparently linked autism and the MMR jab was conducted on just 12 children and has since been discredited.

No real research has ever been done to prove it.

A study in Japan is the first to look at rates of autism after the withdrawal of the vaccine.

Japan withdrew MMR after concerns that the strain of mumps vaccine it contained was linked to cases of meningitis, and replaced it with single vaccines.

MMR take-up had fallen steadily in the years prior to its removal.

Japan's programme targeted one-year-olds. The proportion who received the jab fell from 69.8% in 1988, to 33.6% in 1990 and just 1.8% in 1992.

The researchers from the Yokohama Rehabilitation Center and the Institute of Psychiatry looked at the incidence of autism spectrum disorders among 31,426 children up to the age of seven born from 1988 to 1996.

The research, also published in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, found that the number of cases continued to rise after the MMR vaccination programme stopped.

There were between 48 cases per 10,000 children born in 1988.The rate was steadily seen to rise to 117.2 per 10,000 for those born in 1996.

The same pattern was seen in incidence of a particular form of autism in which children appear to develop normally and then regress....

Professor Rutter told the BBC News Website: "If there was a true causal relationship between MMR and autism, one would have expected rates to fall after the vaccine was withdrawn.

"In fact, the rate continued to rise."

A better understanding of autism and environmental factors such as exposure to chemicals and hormones were more likely to be behind the recorded increase.

reference http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4311613.stm

So I think I would be with Jo and have the jab for my children.

The flu jab is a different issue though. Here in the UK only those at serious potential risk from the flu get free vaccinations and I do not believe that children are included in that group.

I'm on the fence on this one...and all that gives a person is a sore crotch.

I can see both sides of it...personally, I won't get a flu shot because I think the body needs to deal with these things as they come and that keeps the immune system strong..I won't take antibotics unless absolute nessessary also for the same reason. I realize the flu shot is to stimulate the immune system but most of the time the person ends up getting the flu from it and with so many strains of virus out there, most times the shots are for the wrong strain.

Fortunately, I don't have to deal with shots for kids so my opinion is null on it.

I can see the point in most of the Vaccines but I don't think the flu shot is necessary. I won't get one and I won't give one to my child. I think it is absurd to force parents to give their young children a shot that could very well make them sick.

This is a seperate issue to things like a measles or polio shot.

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