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GOBF, there are Pagans everywhere in the south. Just because you don't know any doesn't mean they aren't there. sunday |
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GOBF, there are Pagans everywhere in the south. Just because you don't know any doesn't mean they aren't there. sunday Well thank ya ma'am! I do appreciate your input on this. Did you ever notice how some people can get locked into a thought pattern and think that just because they don't know of something...it doesn't exist? And did you ever notice how those same people are locked into believing that just because they are the way they are...everyone else is exactly like that? I'm not exactly sure on that, but it appears to me to be a closed mind coupled to tunnel vision and with the inability, or fear of exploring further. I don't know who quoted this, but it appears to fit here on occasion: "A closed mind is dangerous!" |
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LOL. Good point, Pony! GOBF, people may not realize it but there are Pagans in every line of work here in the south. Your local grocery store clerk might be a Pagan, your dry cleaner might be a Pagan and even one of your local policemen might be a Pagan. They are in every walk of life. And they are good people. There are Pagans in every state in the country and Pagans in every country in the world. There many different sects in Paganism just as there are many different sects in Christianity. sunday |
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They are all yankee transplants, no doubt. |
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They are all yankee transplants, no doubt. Ah! Another totally pointless statement based merely on opinion, not fact. |
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If these people are pagan, they are not true Southerners. Paganism is an un-Southern religion. I do not have an open mind toward such suspect things as paganism. |
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Paganism is an un-Southern religion. And so are the Catholic, Jewish and Mormon religions. If you were to see someone wearing one of their symbols would you associate them with Devil worship? |
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Paganism
is an un-Southern religion.
And so are the Catholic,
Jewish and Mormon religions. If you were to see someone wearing one of
their symbols would you associate them with Devil worship?
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Well according to every famous Protestant reformer from the 15th
century onwards and the Westminster Confession Of Faith (on which most
other Churches have their confession of faith) the Pope is
anti-Christ.. Mormons are largely a plagarism of Freemasonry and was
founded by Joseph Smith and I know of quite a few people that would
describe Masonry as "devil worship" although I think they are being a
little harsh there:-
Martin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran): "Luther
... proved, by the
revelations of Daniel and St. John, by the epistles of St. Paul, St.
Peter, and St. Jude, that the reign of Antichrist, predicted and
described in the Bible, was the Papacy ... And all the people did say,
Amen! A holy terror siezed their souls. It was Antichrist whom they
beheld seated on the pontifical throne. This new idea, which derived
greater strength from the prophetic descriptions launched forth by
Luther into the midst of his contemporaries, inflicted the most
terrible blow on Rome." Taken from J. H. Merle D'aubigne's History of
the Reformation of the Sixteen Century, book vi, chapter xii, p. 215.
Based on prophetic studies, Martin Luther finally declared, "We
here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and
real Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520). Taken from The Prophetic Faith of
Our Fathers, by LeRoy Froom. Vol. 2., pg. 121.
John Calvin (1509-1564) (Presbyterian): "Some persons think us too
severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But
those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same
charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and
whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in
II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that
which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from Institutes of the
Christian Religion, by John Calvin.
John Knox (1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian): John Knox sought to
counteract "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages
exercised over the church." As with Luther, he finally concluded that
the Papacy was "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul
speaks."
The Zurich Letters, by John Knox, pg. 199.
Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) (Anglican): "Whereof it followeth Rome
to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist
himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers,
and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and
Daniel.) Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.
Roger Williams (1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America):
Pastor Williams spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on
earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not
only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences
of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy
Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven,
thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II
Thess. 2)." The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, by Froom, Vol. 3, pg.
52.
The Westminster Confession of Faith (1647): "There is no other head
of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome in
any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and
son of perdition that exalteth himself in the church against Christ and
all that is called God." Taken from Philip Schaff's, The Creeds of
Christendom, With a History and Critical Notes, III, p. 658, 659, ch.
25, sec. 6.
Cotton Mather (1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian): "The oracles of
God foretold the
rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of
Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously
answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a
marvelous blindness upon them." Taken from The Fall of Babylon by
Cotton Mather in Froom's book, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol.
3, pg. 113.
John Wesley (1703-1791) (Methodist): Speaking of the Papacy, John
Wesley wrote, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he
increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly
styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless
multitudes, both of his opposers and followers... He it is...that
exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped...claiming the highest power, and highest honour...claiming
the prerogatives which belong to God alone." Antichrist and His Ten
Kingdoms, by John Wesley, pg. 110.
A Great Cloud of Witnesses: "Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin,
Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the
King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist
confessions of Faith; Sir Isaac Newton, Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan
Edwards; and more recently Spurgeon, Bishop J.C. Ryle and Dr. Martin
Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others, all saw the office of
the Papacy as the antichrist." Taken from All Roads Lead to Rome, by
Michael de Semlyen. Dorchestor House Publications, p. 205. 1991.
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It seems to me, and I've heard this vocalized that the Christian religion is down on other religions. To them...all other religions are a cult. The Mormons are a cult. The Catholics are a cult etc. Now when you look up the word "cult" in a dictionary...the basic meaning is "any group of people dedicated to any religion", and variations thereof. So....the Christians are a cult within themselves although they won't admit it. |
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Just kind of jumping in here - but how unfair to lump all Christians into a
group like that - I am a Christian and I have no problem with other
religions - feeling that everyone is entitled to there own beliefs - not
sure who vocalized that - but I believe they were a bit misleading
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Pony hates Christians. Ah! Another misquote not based on fact! Not once, ever, have I said I hated Christians. You have taken what I have said and turned it around and molded it into something that is not true. I respect Christians as I respect all people of all religions. you need to read my posts a little more carefully. |
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"I do not have an open mind toward such suspect things as paganism." GOBF, it is ok to not have an open mind toward things you don't fully understand. I don't have an open mind about some things, too. Even though I try, there are just some things I am not willing to open my mind to. So please know that you are not being condemned here nor is anyone trying to change your mind about anything, most especially your religion. Please also consider that the first Christians would have appreciated a little open-mindedness. Those who so bravely went to their deaths in the jaws of lions for a new unacceptable religion might not have had to suffer so much. sunday |
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bravely went to their deaths in the jaws of lions "Good afternoon from the Coliseum, ladies and gentlemen. This is your sports announcer Marcus Wellbeus bringing you todays game. It's the bottom of the third. The score stands Lions 3 and Christians zip. And now...coming up to bat for the Christians is....." That was some old schtick from an old Stan Freeburg album. Freeburg did some totally hilarious stuff back in the 50's and early 60's. He took popular songs and turned them into parodies. He took current news articles and events and made them into comidies. And he took historical events and turned them into comidies. His parody on the Revolutionaty War was a side splitter. They had a referee at the start of the war and flipped a coin to see who got do do what. "Ok. Colonials you win the toss. You may hide in the bushes and trees and fire whenever you are ready. British Troops. You have to wear red coats with crossed white belts on the front marking where the Colonials may aim their muskets. You must march along the road with noisey drums to announce your presence everywhere. You are not allowed to sneak in this war." "Wait a minute....that's not fair!" "Mr. Redcoat...the Colonials won the toss. Play the game by the rules, or hit the showers and go home!" Get the picture? |
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