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�?2001 : Tonic for Tots..my best Christmas present ever
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From: MSN Nicknamehooplight�?/nobr>  (Original Message)Sent: 12/12/2001 7:59 PM

Welcome to the Xmas season, dear ( or Any season where you're depressed over the struggles of the Wurld.) It is normal to feel this way, at this time of year. Nothing is seriously wrong with your Spirit - you're not Going to Hell, you're not going to be Lost for Eternity.

So, I'm a'gonna give ya something to take for this malaise you bear, the shitty feeling or the apathy or the depression. Here is Kellogg's Tonic for Tots - "Tonic" being what you need to take to get better, and "Tots" being all of us children in the Wurld.

  1. Give thanks: Give thanks by putting some flowers on a grave, or on an altar, or by planting some seeds in the ground - or by giving someone a hug - someone you otherwise would not give anything to. Or simply say a quiet prayer, a few words to yourself - of Thanks. What are you giving Thanks for? Thanks that you are alive, that you have a house over your head, that you have a family who loves you --- and give thanks that you have relatives and friends that Allow you to Show Courtesy and Warmth and Loving, when they DON"T. Give ALOT of thanks for the last item: It means more than you know.

 (2) Relax. Take 10 minutes out of your day to relax -- outside in the fresh air, out in the woods or the park - but away from other people. During this 10 minutes - don't Think of solving any problems or being Strong or Brave - or Sad or Whinny for that matter. Just enjoy the Time.

(3) Silence. Pick a time each day - Make it during the above Relaxing time if you wish...and be Silent. Say Nothing. Period. Don't try to do any whizzing psychic stuff either. Just. - Be - Silent.

(4) Once a day - every day - perform 1 random Act of Kindness. It can be towards Anyone, preferably someone who hates you. If no one hates you, choose a stranger that no one else likes. What Kind of Act ? Simple kindness. A meal - giving a ride - offering some act. It has to Be a Personal Act. Don't just give money, don't just "be nice". IT has To Be an ACT. Lest you missed this point - you dont get to ask for anything in return. Duh! Don't brag about how nice you just were. Just do it, and Say nothing About it.

I will guarantee at least one result of the above tonic. If you "take it" faithfully, each day - I guarantee you will at some time during the first 3 days...Cry your eyes out like a babe. Guaranteed. In fact, in reading this - you may already be crying J And you will start to feel alittle better; about yourself, about your path, about your life.

And that's OK. It's called Healing. We all need to do it, during this season - because we are ALL such ASSHOLES during the year.

ALL of US.

So drink the "Tonic for Tots" - get the tissue ready - and start to feel better with yourself and the Wurld.

OK?

ok

 



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From: EvonneSent: 12/12/2001 10:03 PM

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

hi kellog

 

Kellog_bluff says:

good afternoon

 

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

i have been rereading your writings. most of my questions are on the trivial side. but i did come up with one last night when reading "Tonic for Tots"

 

Kellog_bluff says:

no question - if from the heart - is trivial.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

only people's view of them.

 

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

i was wondering about this part in Tonic for Tots:

 

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

"and give thanks that you have relatives and friends that Allow you to Show Courtesy and Warmth and Loving, when they DON"T. Give ALOT of thanks for the last item: It means more than you know."

 

Kellog_bluff says:

what were you wondering?

 

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

what does it mean exactly ? Why more than I know?

 

Kellog_bluff says:

give thanks......

 

Kellog_bluff says:

that you have people (close to you) .....

 

Kellog_bluff says:

who allow you to display ethical/spiritual performance (according to your personal creed)....

 

Kellog_bluff says:

when they do NOT act in accordance with theirs (or yours) - and display nothing of the kind....

 

Kellog_bluff says:

shed any light for you, now?

 

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

yes. thanks. interesting angle. i have been raised that way in a way...

 

Kellog_bluff says:

interesting angle?

 

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

i never thought about it that way. i was always just told that i had to be that way. "That does not mean you get to be rude too young lady" etc.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

so even tho you were directed to act that way (by the old folks) - you never thought about it - until now?

 

Kellog_bluff says:

do you - now that you are reviewing this - understand, at least intellectually --- why this action is important?

 

*·._.·´¯*·.€vØnn£ tH�?§TØr¥t€lL£r*·._.·´¯*·. says:

I always looked at it from a business and family point of view. Representing my family and how I was raised or being a professional of a company.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

then you have alot of catching up to do.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

it's not the complete answer - you asked two questions.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

"the difference between simple and easy is best explained thru this question. Most folks consider it "easy" to give a stranger a nice word or deed...but to act towards those who are intimate or "close" to you - in accordance with your personal Protocol, all the time - every day, in every way --- is not easy.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

But it is simple.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

you simply - decide that - whatever action taken or word spoken against you - you will treat the ones closest to you - as the treasures they are... and remember that there will be times you Don't want to do this - or maybe feel you Can't do this...and it is for those times where Life is not peachy and Life stinks and you are the victim of mean words/deeds -

 

Kellog_bluff says:

that the value of "tonic for tots" - and the value of your own personal protocol....

 

Kellog_bluff says:

becomes real.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

simple - not easy.

 

Kellog_bluff says:

.........


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From: EvonneSent: 12/13/2001 5:09 PM
What about holding to your protocol "for all outward appearances" but actually feeling differently on the inside? 
Walter Mittey (Spelling?) one of the more famous milktoasts did this in a way.    He had a secret life inside his mind where things were quite different.     

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From: MSN NicknameKellog_bluffSent: 12/18/2001 1:23 AM

Mitty "acted out" his internal desires, because he lacked motivational vehicles to implement them.  He lacked the ability to grasp the opportunity in everyday risk..so he acclimated himself to "acting out" in a more comfortable surrounding - "day dreaming."   Although an interesting example of fear and its applied value in impinging motivational vehicles  - this is Not an example of spiritual Protocol.  If you want a "real-life" example of a normal person realizing extra-ordinary aspirations - use Audy Murphy (most decorated solder of WWII).

Your specific question goes to the essence of Protocol --- not the "outward appearance of it."  The true value of applied Protocol will be best recognized and utilized after our death - not during this life.  However, Protocol's essential value to us --- the ones having to scuff away daily in the "office mines" and work for a pittance living, supporting Ethyl and the 2.5 kids --- is in the arrangement of How we conduct our life as well as Why. (the "why" is the etiquete - the How is the Protocol.)   The application of Spiritual Protocol has the side-effect of building Power to control and influence the every-day lifestyle and choices available to those willing to accept the risk of the hardship --- one of the meanings behind the phrase "nothing of Value comes without Cost."

In speaking of spiritual Protocol - I do NOT speak of performers (pretenders), those who act in a way to bring attention to themselves when it is politically correct to do so - or those who "perform" only when the public spotlight is on them...I call these performers Dolts. 

A dolt could (and does) build a quasi-protocol to enhance their Appearance to the Wurld - and as this is built based on the self-decision (and deception) that appearance is more important than Substance - these folks are following their path as they have built it.  Their choice - their free will.  The payment for this "brilliant" behavior is to re-live the Wurld experience (or the quiet room beyond the Garden in the next realm, or the Pre-fab'd scenes they will live in, in the next realm, precluded from co-mingling with others because they have not the strength of will/thought to handle "disbelief") - they will play these scenes over and over -  until they "get" it.

An example of Doltish behavior - someone who could perform differently if his/her motivation were based on something other than laziness or sloth or the "easy instead of simple" syndrome, or the reward of the public spotlight (self-importance and the materialism to be gained from it)

Proper Protocol, in the sense i always speak of,  has little to do with the sake of "outward appearances" --- it has little or Nothing to do about what others' think of your performance.  Protocol is your agreement with the Wurld - about how you are going to Act - in every way, every situation, every day ---- based on your Etiquete.   Etiquete is the Agreement with yourself -- it is what you have decided to hold dear, when there is noone around but the darkness and yourself, and a single candle called Hope ---- Etiquete is based in personal Intent. If you hold the Bible dear - if you hold the Golden Rule dear - if you love and cherish your fellow Man --- Whatever binds the fabric you call "ethics" --- 

It is your Etiquette that fashions the infrastructure called Protocol...and to act "to all outward appearances" as though you Have a proper protocol - is to shame yourself in your own eyes and to spit on the very essence of who you are and What you stand for.    It is to offend the most important spirit in the whole Wurld - you.   You are harming no one but yourself - and that is the silliest action in the wurld; to make the choice of self-infliction because it is easiest to do so...but as we all have free will, and we own our choices --- we are fully capable of doing any silly thing we can think of, in the guise of learning.  It is Not just an action of Mercy that has the Most Value (for example) - it is an act of Mercy performed precisely because it was Not easy, Not popular, but simply, precisely because you Knew it was Correct.  You Weren't looking for kudos or awards or recognition - you did it for the Opportunity (spiritually).  (there is a zen-based explanation I could use - but i won't.   alot of youzz all seem to have enuf trouble understanding the Buddhist-based explanations, so I ain't gonna use 'em)

this life is a series of guesses at learning what we all think is "Correct".  We're free to make as many mistakes in answering this question for ourselves -as we need to.

That's why this place is a playground - there are a zillion silly/zany/crazy/funny things going on in any single moment...truly a great place to enjoy and laugh about.

If a person owns anything all all in this wonderful/dreadful life, he/she owns two things:  Etiquete, and Protocol.   (or your personal Intent, and your choices in life.)  To pretend to a behavior you do not in truth ascribe to, do not honor, and do not implement in thought as well as deed  - is to act as a performer on a stage, where all the performance has no real value except to the critics who write about it   So I ain't gonna criticize ya here (except if yer a Dolt).

Balance is Performance...not the mindless "to all outward appearance" version...but the conscious decision to do so at personal risk.  "As above - so Below" is not a phrase without value.  I've stated before - and will again; those homeless folks you stare at in the alleys on your way to Christmas shopping deserver a present as much as your Mommy or Daddy or Loverboy - but they will be happy to receive anything you can give them ---- they are your Opportunity.  You - are their Risk.                               so go figure it out.

go and chew on that curd, baby  four stars, two swished and a snap for flavor..........Yeowza


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From: EvonneSent: 12/19/2001 10:10 PM
Thanks Kellog.  That makes a great deal of sense.   Although, I must admit, every so often, I have a Walter Mitty moment... 
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And occasionally I HAVE to smile and people can't see the dragon fire coming out of my nose for some reason. 
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But it all works out, eventually.
 

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From: MSN NicknameKellog_bluffSent: 12/21/2001 9:52 PM

your welcomed, Von.  I, for one (but I'm sure there are Many who) respect your candor.  

We are all human.  This means, among other things, that even the best-intentioned and practiced of us will eventually and ocassionally fall, and fail - to the level of our training, on our worst days.  So - admitting to "Mitty-ish Moments" and emotional overflows is nothing to be ashamed of or embarrased by. 

It's to be expected.   It's who we are.  

We are a wonderful broth of emotion and logic and Intent and Free Will - and for those of Us fortunate and blessed enough to begin a conscious directive of Gathering this broth - and drinking it for the Essence...(to Remember who we Really are) --- we get Served, here, now - instead of waiting until the next Realm for the Flavor.

It's what we do - AFTER we fall and fail - on those "BAD" days --- that will Define us and individuals and as a collective.  It's how we pick ourselves off the ground, dust ourselves off, clean the spit off our faces, dig the knives out of our backs and chests - and whatever else we have to do to prepare to move forward......That effort defines us, not our failures.

Balance is Performance.   yeowza

"...wordless thoughts, thougtless words, coming together peacefully, on Christmas morning.  The music in our hearts will set us Free.

Everything's everything."

 


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