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From: MSN NicknameEttuchan1  (Original Message)Sent: 9/4/2002 10:29 AM
 
 
 
Rising orange sun
from the mother’s sea
peaceful silence


etsuko ^*~



love and peace for all of the world


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From: OldavoSent: 9/4/2002 1:03 PM
Before you speak of peace
remember Sandarkan roads
and foulest murder.
 
 
We will never forget!
 
David Henry.

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From: la gentilesseSent: 9/4/2002 1:48 PM
i reads these two moments in a thread
and really they say it all
how do we balance the mother against the soldier?
and we hear the soldier every day on the radio
talking anniversaries of towers falling and iraqi non compliance with weapins inspectors
and maybe they are right,
like churchill was right
and i read suzies poem where aushwitz was linked to the towers, and suzie forgive me, but really?
where are the links between the two types of perpetrators, look, look at tel me the similartities and differences....
i mean, surely NOW
NOW would be a remotely good time to engage our brains

me, i yearn for mothers
and rely on the soldiers when it gets really ugly

i hope it is not really ugly

la g

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From: suzySent: 9/4/2002 9:29 PM
la g -
 
forgive me.  here is where we disagree.
look at the date of the poem.
that was it at the time.  immediate.
 
and again, forgive me -
you didn't smell it.  the charred remains.
it was a crematorium.
 
not in numbers, no.  but how many numbers will we need?
how many people will say, "but really?"
 
think twice.  it can happen again.  it is only a matter of time.
i hope we will prevent it from happening ever - ever - again.
susan
 
p.s. Tower is in the fall (October) showing of Java Museum called "Fundamental Patterns - Peripheral basics".
p.p.s. Project Hope will be prepared on CD-ROM for exhibit at the AJAC (All Nations & Japan Artists Co-operation) art show at the Metropolitan Art Museum Tokyo from October 4th to October 14th.

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From: la gentilesseSent: 9/4/2002 11:53 PM
ofcrouse i read the date
and was very impressed by the emotions in your poem
and picked up the smell
though i was at neither place

it reminded me a bit of "reading the Holocaust" or me using thaldomide in a poem...
how do we use such powerful language?
espeically now, here we are in a landscpae of political posturing twelve months later
where words matter
so I am just looking at Auschwitz
as a word
in a poem in a context
in the now time
and turning it over
where our leaders are suggesting debate
I am asking about the difference between the perpetrators in both cases
looking for undestanding
then solutions
final or otherwise

with a woman's tenderness where benediction is not required

la g

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From: suzySent: 9/5/2002 1:05 AM

On the Beach (1959)

Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong,
Under the shade of a coolibah tree,
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled
"Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?"

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
"Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?"                         [refrain]

Along came a jumbuck to drink at the billabong,
Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee,
And he sang as he stowed that jumbuck in his tucker bag,
"You'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me".

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
"Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?".

Up rode the squatter, mounted on his thoroughbred,
Down came the troopers, one, two, three,
"Whose is that jumbuck you've got in your tucker bag?"
"You'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me".

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
"Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?".

Up jumped the swagman, leapt into the billabong,
"You'll never catch me alive," said he,
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by the billabong,
"Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me".

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
"Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?"

susan

just can't hear this traditional Australian song without thinking
about that Stanley Kramer/Ernest Gold collaboration....

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/store/audio3/OntheBeach01.ram
can i join you under the shade of a coolibah tree?


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From: la gentilesseSent: 9/5/2002 3:28 AM
THE Tom Waits version is the one to play in a wartime setting me thinks...cannot download the lyrics from the desktop i am at in town, do you know it suze? Wil try and find the lyrics whn i get home if your instant genius at these things does not whirl them up...

la g
and it will be a red river gum not a coolibah
if you can get past the geese....spring has made them particularly ill tempered
by all means though, let's dance

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From: DrLucky#3Sent: 9/5/2002 4:21 AM
etsuko thanks for the poem the sentiments and another wonderful photo
peace doc
ps
you got any photos of orgami cranes?\doc

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From: la gentilesseSent: 9/5/2002 6:15 AM
Doc, there is a beautoufl children's story called "The White Crane"
do you know it?

la g


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From: suzySent: 9/5/2002 6:21 AM
finding Tom Waits is a lot easier than finding score for 1959 movie, g.
voila------------------
lyrics
real audio sample
windows media sample
 
hope these work.  cuz i had more probs with 'puter tonight than the search.
me

and jim...
i took a quick pic tonight just for you because you have become obsessed with origami cranes which could also conceivably represent the thousands of birds that literally fell to the ground when the plane hit.  that was a sight too for children's eyes.  i read something about those cranes -- but i can't remember at the moment.  anyway, it's late, so this pic is blurred and hurried.  but ...... sheeesh already!
 
my daughter made the crane a few years ago for me.
she also stole the taxi map from the back of a cab.
that's this year's calendar.

suze
(god, that's a blurry picture.  well, it's late.)


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From: suzySent: 9/5/2002 6:25 AM
this shortcut for the lyrics might be better (sigh, i may as well get the CD!!)
 

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From: suzySent: 9/5/2002 6:27 AM
 
i need to get on to other postings.
 
thanks, etsuko.
suze

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From: suzySent: 9/5/2002 7:18 AM
 
cropped crane, poor thing
susan

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From: MSN NicknameEttuchan1Sent: 9/5/2002 3:09 PM
Thank you very much ~ Arigatougozimasu ~dearest friends ~
 
I raed and read ,,,
 
Dear Suesan ,,thank you very much beautiful Orizuru (cropped crane ) You made it ? .... I making colorful paper crane for peace and love ~ ...
 
Etsuko from Japan

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From: MSN NicknamekarasukokoroSent: 9/5/2002 3:18 PM
etsuko,
 
this haiku, your sentiment...i appreciate. haiku is good. simple. simplicity rounds out chaos...as a mother might.
 
crow

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From: susieSent: 9/5/2002 3:47 PM
etsuko -
i meant the picture was cropped.
 
my daughter made the origami crane.
AND she made the paper it is made out of.
 
i'll try to get a clearer picture.  it is very beautiful.
the colors are somewhat like the photo you posted.
susan

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