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Metacriticism : Irony: The Third Convention of Poetry.
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From: Landon  (Original Message)Sent: 6/4/2002 1:59 AM
In the beginning there was cadence like the split-page grunts in Anglo-Beowulf.
X  X  X  - X  X  X  -  X  X  X                               X  X  X -  X  X  X-  X  X  X
 
This is sound poetry. The message is epic. We know the story. Now it is a chant.
It is easy to remember. The Anglos borrowed from Greeks. Now they had poetry too.
This is convention number 1.
 
Then somewhere the habit of rhyme attracted the ear.  Love-Dove Hear-Near
Today one cannot purchase rhyme. It has little currency. Penniless poets of fickle nickle.
Poets no longer sing Convention number 2.
 
Someone read Boccaccio's Decameron.  Many many stories all with twists.
A man was fed a falcon by mistake.......or.....There was the wrong lady in the bed.
This was happy news. The twist. I did not suspect that. I am shocked. I am pleased.
This is Irony. Convention number 3.
 
 
 
 
 


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From: LandonSent: 6/9/2002 1:46 PM
1946. Must have been a good year. The war over...fresh ribbon for the Underwood.
 
"in the half-conscious belief that language is a natural growth and not an instrument
which we shape for our own purposes."
 
There ! ...The rub....Prose or Poetry? ...shape ----  purposes  ----  our own ----  Key words.
And the politics of usage   grammar   syntax   word selection   length   metaphor ?
Yes! Of course there are rules and of course there are bandits...& when caught the bandit
confesses he is a poet........so release me....I live outside the law to survive.
 
My technical papers are well-defined within the author's "politics." I agree. I follow rules.
 
But this is a poetry site. What are the rules here? ....  Are there word rules?
 
If so.....within politics....your emperor would never possess irises....and...as we know..
your sake parlor would have been laughable instead of sincere.
 
Sincerely yours
Landon7

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From: susieSent: 6/10/2002 12:11 AM
i am sure your technical papers are well-defined within the loop of politics, landon.
and that rules are followed in the non-virtual world.
 
yes.  this is a poetry site.  so write poetry.  that is all that is required.
but don't try to define 'the word' for me.
then it would only become a tedious argument of insidious intent.
 
keep writing.
susan

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From: LandonSent: 6/10/2002 4:14 AM
The intent of Eliot?
My oh my sweet Sue.....you never let up!
Are we back there again?
 
Hope not.
 
Landon

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From: LandonSent: 6/10/2002 4:32 AM
Oh......on the ps side....
I will keep writing..........or....does that actually mean trying.?
Hmm...for me...same thing.
Thanks Susan....... I really value your.................anyway.
Landon
 

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From: jeff SFSent: 6/11/2002 6:09 PM
energies are arising.
I'll be back in action soon!!!
Irony in hand.

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From: la gentilesseSent: 6/12/2002 7:41 AM
goodgoodgood jeff
La G

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From: jeff SFSent: 6/12/2002 11:20 AM
I've never given a lot of focused thinking to this concept "Irony".
I'm still digesting all the material on the subject you folks have presented.
In the past I've avoided concious use of it because I'm prone
to "sarcasm" which seems to me to be "Irony's" bitter and terrible sibling.
 
I will say this for now though.
I was walking down Ninth Street, here in SF, on the way to Gold's Gym,
thinking to myself how much I've recently been enjoying working at
getting my aerobic energy's "up" by pushing my personal limits on
the "treadmill".  I've been walking fast and then faster and then clicking
into an almost dance-like rhythm and sometimes I break into a "run"
(which I'm not prone to doing) and for two or three minutes I have a sense of
not only dancing but one of flying and exhuberance.  Sometimes for
a few brief seconds I feel weightless and a feeling of "soaring" enters
my body and a "spirit" in me is released.  Then gravity and my own
body's muscular fatigue return and inertia sets in and I am aware of
weight and my mere "mortalness". 
I was mulling this "grand sense of flying" when I crossed Bryant Street.
In front of me was a pigeon.  Hobbling terribly.  Instantaneously I realized
it had been hit by a car but not fatally enough to quash it's life, just enough
to have broken it's wing and make it forever lame. 
I noticed my eyes were brimming with tears; I thought of you all and
these attempts to understand "Irony".  The "shock" reminded me of
"something".  I realized there is a power somehow in Irony to remind us of life and living and I'm sure on other occasions (I'm thinking now of Buster Keaton who I adore) to bring us to a cathartic whole-hearted laugh.
 
I'll continue looking into this. 
Thanks for this fresh new idea-tool.
 
 

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From: LandonSent: 6/12/2002 3:21 PM
Buster Keaton. Of course. Good choice.
But for irony...I prefer Chaplin as God's head chef serving shoes.
 

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From: la gentilesseSent: 6/13/2002 12:40 PM
Jeff,
you are very connected.
I could eat you.

I wish I coud see more of your writing on the main board as I miss true stories, much as the head stuff of the hatters is entertaining.

You have made me feel very comforted, that it is okay when I think about the people on this baord at other moments in my life. It is all very curious.

I wonder what the relationship is between irony and real lfe and these strange impossible conversations.

La G

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From: The ProfessorSent: 3/5/2003 7:42 AM
I recently found out that cops have little use for irony
maybe it's the third convention, but noboody showed up

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From: sueSent: 3/6/2003 12:05 AM
some bootays are made for walking,
and perhaps a fou(rth)][cault][ dimension.
 
susan

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From: The ProfessorSent: 4/20/2003 10:17 AM
Landon1,

Oddly enough, this website has a fair amount of irony for me,
no matter how many spaces I put in, it seems to cut them out.
Even though I write in an extremely formal manner with indents
for the paragraphs and all, they oddly go away. Irony in metaphor
is something that cannot be treated lightly, and most naifs end up
seeming trite and being sarcastic, the little sister to powerful irony,
count me in that batch. I prefer Kenneth Burke, Auden's little
american buddy, and William Empson, who, so far, has written the
silly tome that defines irony called, "I Fucked My Best Friends Wife", twice, no, thrice.
Now that is something ironic. Incidentally...

Other than that, I apologize , I have consistently missed the first batch
of e-mails on this thread. I will examine them a little bit closer and
post a 'hefty' reply. Of all of the message boards I visit. (not many)
this thread is my favorite. I raise chickens, ducks and goat, and
have asparagus in my garden. Who knows what this means,
I give names to pet animals that later I stew with dumplings.
I am not 'stuck' on myself at all. But I am. But I am not.
But I am not medicated. But I am self medicated. But not really.
But I have a little talent. Yeah, right.

I will come back to this thread when I have something decent to say,
sincerely,
dh

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From: MSN Nicknamemarzipan_marzipanSent: 1/12/2004 12:04 PM
is this web site basically a place where people can slap themselves on the back for being intelligent?
 
say no, please
 
mar

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From: _susan_Sent: 1/12/2004 3:53 PM
no.
 
i am so stupid, it is not to be believed.
 
susan

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From: MSN NicknameChuckroast7Sent: 1/13/2004 11:44 PM
Landon, this was a gas. I think that it is properly nickel, no matter how brittle the smile. I, too, want a phone number consisting solely of ex-s. What would George Strait say to that?  After all, he is in Tennessee. No place for attention no matter how hard the borrowed chant. I am sure that you had to be there. Grunting.
 
Chuckroast7

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