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Hi Hans, My wife has both endometriosis and complex hyperplasia without atypia. I was doing some research and saw that endometriosis was associated with inflammation and prostaglandins (sp?) and of course the recommendation was more omega-3's. Do you have any further info or suggestions in regards to these outside of a PUFA restricted diet? Anything that you would adjust to her diet beyond the stards PUFA restriction? Also, the autism post piqued my interest, since my son is autistic, so if you have more info on that, keep it rolling? Thanks for the awesome site. Will |
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Hi Will:
No, I think it's really very simple: change the diet and don't "cheat."
However, it does take more than a few weeks, so it's important to bear with some oddball short-term "side effects," such as a weird body odor, a desire to drink a bit more, a small dry spot here or there, and avoiding washing you hair as often as you may have used to (due to itchy or flaky problems).
One problem is that a person might not be able to eat certain foods for a while, until the arachidonic acid is out of his or her cells, so don't feel you must eat any one particular thing. Boiled eggs and cheese seem to be the best practical sources of high-quality protein, so make sure that enough is being consumed. Other than that, and avoiding dietary PUFAs and oxidized cholesterol, be sure to include antioxidant-rich foods, like blueberries, prunes, raisins, dark chocolate, etc. (try to get the organic ones). It's also important to get enough salt and electrolyte minerals. If you didn't read the essay on diet, that's a good place to start. If you have any specific questions, feel free to post back to this thread. It's impossible to know how much damage has already been done, and how much of it is reversible, but things can come up which you might never think about, such as low stomach acid level.
Keep me posted on how things come along.
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Hi Will, You don't say what else you've learned from your research, so I'll add this. As far as the endometriosis (from unopposed estrogen), see Ray Peat's site at http://www.raypeat.com/articles/ . Also look for the writings of Dr. John Lee. Besides the importance of natural progesterone therapy in the short term, your wife needs to avoid soy and other estrogen mimics at all costs. A web search on "xenoestrogen" and "xenoestrogen removal from the human body" will bring up a lot of additional information. Which is not to discount Hans' recommendations. I haven't found evidence of any way to clear xenoestrogens other than health combined with avoidance of further load. Carol |
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Thank you very much Carol. I have already printed off a few of Ray Peat's articles for my wife to read so I'll just have to double check that I have the ones that you are referring to. Thanks for the other sources and leads also, since I'm not familiar with those yet. Thanks again Carol,
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Hi Will, You don't say what else you've learned from your research, so I'll add this. As far as the endometriosis (from unopposed estrogen), see Ray Peat's site at http://www.raypeat.com/articles/ . Also look for the writings of Dr. John Lee. Besides the importance of natural progesterone therapy in the short term, your wife needs to avoid soy and other estrogen mimics at all costs. A web search on "xenoestrogen" and "xenoestrogen removal from the human body" will bring up a lot of additional information. Which is not to discount Hans' recommendations. I haven't found evidence of any way to clear xenoestrogens other than health combined with avoidance of further load. Carol | |
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I'd be the first to admit that I don't have "clinical experience," except in terms of what I've personally experienced, though I've experienced more than "average," I think, unfortunately, beginning as a child with chalazions, rashes, and "irritable bowel"-like problems.
I also avoid beans and other anti-nutritive foods, though small amounts of fermented foods like this might be okay. I eat small amounts of pickled cabbage with each meal, for example.
A person has to make the choice to go with a therapeutic approach or a restorative approach. Nobody can tell you for sure which is best in any particular instance - it's mostly based on clinical experience, but since doctors don't advise people to do what I did for myself, there's very little data on this kind of thing. I think if I had a problem that was not likely to get worse and not causing me major problems, I would go with the restorative approach; otherwise, I'd go with the therapeutic.
In any case, you probably still need to have normal biochemistry in order to get well. For example, if someone is producing way too little stomach acid, the therapeutic approach might not work, whereas if you were, it would work. This is what makes things so complicated, and it's why I think in terms of establishing a "normal base," and then seeing if things clear up, which in my experience takes up to about two months, or less.
I'll be very interested in hearing about what happens to your wife and child.
Once again, good luck !
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You're very welcome, Will. I hope I've been able to shortcut your research even a little bit. Most of Ray Peat's site is relevant - in fact it can be a bit of information overload, just on that one site. But be forewarned if you try to take this to her doctor: Specialists in particular can get very cranky from being told things they don't already accept, from patients. Natural progesterone cream is available OTC in the US (except probably California) if your research leads you to try that without doctor approval. Even without the progesterone, though, eliminating even slightly suspicious modern chemicals from our lives can only be helpful. Also I've been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, so if you want to email me about your autistic son, I'll let you know what it's like "in here" and might be able to give some unsolicited advice on dealing with him. It's mostly psychological stuff and so completely out of the realm here. ( [email protected]) |
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Sorry Hans, your first post didn't some across in my email... thanks for the replies and the information. The good thing about my wife is that she will just basically eat whatever I'm eating when we are eating together, and I've already adopted this way of eating. The tough part will be when we aren't eating together. What is the difference between a therapeutic approach and a restorative approach? I have read some but not all of the articles on the left, so if it is in there, just point me in the right direction (I don't want to make you repeat yourself). Carol, thanks for your offer and I will be emailing you soon (I just got a TON of work dumped on me at work and I am now on call 24/7 so it might not be as soon as I'd like)... thanks again. Thanks for all of the great information and responses! Will |
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One thing you could do is to make up a list of food items that are acceptable and hope that she does not stray from it. There are some things that many people consider "junk food" that don't appear to be especially bad, if bad at all. For example, I eat a little of the "Cool Whip" type of toppings, and also some cookies that are very rich in saturated fatty acids but low in unsaturated fatty acids. One type, a mint chocolate cookie, is 8 grams of fat per serving, 7 of which are saturated, with no cholesterol. If you can find these kinds of cookies, and she like them obviously, you might want to keep them around the house. Pepperidge farm makes a few kinds of cookies that I would eat small amounts of, such as Amaretto Milano, Orange Milano, Mint Milan, and Raspberry Chantilly. I eat these cookies with ricotta cheese, which I add salt and a little coffee to, so that I'm getting a reasonable amount of protein. Shredded coconut is also something you could add to it. I don't eat things like these cookies by themselves, though.
A therapeutic approach means that you are trying to change normal biochemistry, whereas a restorative approach means that you are trying to give the body what it needs, subtract what can cause problems, and let the body itself. I think that many "alternative medicine experts" assume that a therapeutic approach is necessary, and I'll be the first to admit that most people are not likely to follow my suggestions for two years - they want something that will work a lot more quickly. If they understood that my suggestions would lead to a lifetime of much better health after those two years, they might follow the advice, but they most likely think I'm just another one of the "alternative medicine" crowd, and will try something that is supposed to work quickly instead.
Generally, therapeutic approaches involve taking large of a substance that will alter biochemistry in significant ways, and effects will often be seen within hours or days. I basically discovered a restorative approach through "trial and error," because I won't take drugs for more than a week or two. I found that I need to take fairly large amounts of stomach acid, for example, but over time I took less and less, and now I don't take any (though I do eat pickled cabbage with each meal, which is acidic). I "listened to my body," in that when I started to get warm/burning sensations a couple of hours after I ate, I assumed that I was taking too much of the stomach acid supplements, so I took less - that's what this approach requires, and probably a lot of people don't want to worry about such things. I did a great deal of research, and so I felt confident that I could make these kinds of determinations (the stomach acid one is probably one that most people could, but others were not so easy, such as when I realized that magnesium carbonate and calcium carbonate were making things worse, whereas magnesium and calcium citrate were what I needed). |
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| Correction: "let the body itself" should read "let the body heal itself." |
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