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From: MSN Nicknamejacobwilliamthompson  (Original Message)Sent: 9/5/2007 12:47 AM
Hey Monty, I've been busy reading through your posts from the last couple years and I couldn't find your thoughts on maple syrup, honey, & agave nectar. In your research, have you come across these sweeteners or possibly others that you care to note on?

Thanks for all the info. I've been eating mostly meat the last year, so I'm hoping I don't have much AA to release whilst I switch to more dairy.

Quick newb question: Does grass-fed beef have mead acid in it, as they have to produce the saturated fat themselves? Would you recommend eating a small amount of lean grass-fed beef a day as a protein source but sticking to butter/centrifuged coconut oil as a fat source? Also, do you recommend eating occasional liver?

Thank you, sir.


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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 9/5/2007 3:47 AM
I think biologist Ray Peat has talked about eating liver, but decided to try a diet where only gelatin is my source of "meat." I do eat small amounts of nutritional yeast each day, which I hope is just as good. I take a little vitamin D, B complex, magnesium and calcium citrate also. Since I've been doing this for several years, and have been able to "cure" myself of various and really bad afflictions, my guess is that I am now getting the true "essentials."

The only sugars I would be concerned about are the ones that contain xylose (I think it's called) and other sugars that the body can't digest. I think there is a tree bark sugar like this, and I don't see why anyone would want to create such problems for themselves - there are better ways to lose weight.

How are you cooking the beef, or are you eating it raw? It would be very interesting to take sample from one of the animals to see what their fatty acid composition is, as opposed to those fed the "normal" diet. This has been done with chickens and pigs, and the results were significant. It is discussed in Bruce Fife's book, "Saturated fat may save your life."

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 9/5/2007 3:48 AM
Also, if you haven't seen this study, it will likely interest you:


Am J Clin Nutr. 1981 Aug;34(:1552-61. Related Articles, Links

Cholesterol, coconuts, and diet on Polynesian atolls: a
natural experiment: the Pukapuka and Tokelau island studies.

Prior IA, Davidson F, Salmond CE, Czochanska Z.

Two populations of Polynesians living on atolls near the
equator provide an opportunity to investigate the relative
effects of saturated fat and dietary cholesterol in
determining serum cholesterol levels. The habitual diets of
the toll dwellers from both Pukapuka and Tokelau are high in
saturated fat but low in dietary cholesterol and sucrose.
Coconut is the chief source of energy for both groups.
Tokelauans obtain a much higher percentage of energy from
coconut than the Pukapukans, 63% compared with 34%, so their
intake of saturated fat is higher. The serum cholesterol
levels are 35 to 40 mg higher in Tokelauans than in
Pukapukans. These major differences in serum cholesterol
levels are considered to be due to the higher saturated fat
intake of the Tokelauans. Analysis of a variety of food
samples, and human fat biopsies show a high lauric (12:0) and
myristic (14:0) content. Vascular disease is uncommon in both
populations and there is no evidence of the high saturated fat
intake having a harmful effect in these populations.