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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrect  in response to Message 179Sent: 10/31/2008 12:56 AM
Here is a crucial document for "dissidents" generated by "orthodox" scientists:

O'Hara CJ, Groopman JE, Federman M. "The ultrastructural and immunohistochemical demonstration of viral particles in lymph nodes from human immunodeficiency virus-related and non-human immunodeficiency virus-related lymphadenopathy syndromes." Human Pathology 1988; 19:545-9.

Quote from the above study: "The presence of such particles do not, by themselves, indicate infection with HIV..."

This is also important: QUOTE: In a paper published in 2003 by researchers using one of the most modern methods to study virus particles*, Kuznetsov and his colleagues contradicted what virtually all HIV experts claim. They reported that "The clusters of gp120 do not form spikes on the surface of the HIV as is commonly described in the literature. The clusters are hardly protrusions at all. We suggest that spikes, knobs, observed by negative-staining electron microscopy may be an artifact of the penetration of heavy metal stain between envelope proteins. Indeed, the term "spike" appears to have assumed a rather imprecise, possibly misleading definition, and might best be used with caution" [1]. In other words, this posits zero knobs on the so called "HIV" particle. Such particles cannot be infectious and thus cannot be a virus.

Hence the literature is contradictory in regard to the number of knobs. The knob count for the HIV particle has been reported as 80, 72, 0.5 (on average), possibly zero and actually zero... UNQUOTE.

1. Kuznetsov YG, Victoria JG, Robinson WE, Jr., McPherson A. Atomic force microscopy investigation of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and HIV-infected lymphocytes. Journal of Virology 2003; 77:11896-909.

Source: http://www.theperthgroup.com/RESPONSE/ParenzeeEPEIsolationSACCourt.pdf

From this source, the authors conclude the following:

QUOTE: To summarise the evidence so far for the existence of HIV.

1. Reverse transcription is detection of the presence of an enzyme activity which is not specific to retroviruses.

2. Enzyme activity is not isolation of anything. Including a virus.

3. More than twenty year after its discovery there is no agreement in regard to the taxonomy of the particle. Or, to put it another way, taxonomically the HIV particle belongs to several mutually exclusive classifications.

4. Scientists accept the existence of retrovirus-like particles, even with RT activity or RNA, which are not infectious. Hence they cannot be viruses.

5. Retroviral-like particles are ubiquitous.

6. Retroviral-like particles appear in cell cultures which are not infected with "HIV".

7. Knobs are fundamental to the definition of retrovirus but so far nobody has proven they exist. If the particles said to be a unique retrovirus HIV do not have knobs they cannot be the "HIV" particles
and they cannot be transmitted. Such particles cannot be a virus.
UNQUOTE.


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     re: The "HIV/AIDS" debate.   MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrect  11/7/2008 8:16 PM