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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4  (Original Message)Sent: 3/16/2007 4:07 AM
Hans-

Whenever I take gelatin for more then a day in a row I get very drowsy. The effect goes away after a few days of not taking it, but it is bothersome.
I am currently taking 1/4 tsp a day and the drowsiness is bothersome still, I used to take 1 tsp a day and it was very very bothersome. The effect is not as strong when I take smaller amounts.

Any thoughts?


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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 3/17/2007 3:40 AM
Could it be having an effect on the medications you take?  There really is no reason for this, and if you look at old cookbooks, you see that there was a lot of food made with gelatin.  I only take very small amounts, so I haven't seen that effect.  I had tendonosis in the right shoulder, and that only got resolved after eating more protein AND including daily gelatin supplements (though as I said, in very small amounts).  Also, my fingernails were soft, but now are hard and "snappy" when I clip them.

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 3/17/2007 5:18 AM
I am no longer taking ANY medications. I stopped about a month ago, maybe a month and a half.

I don't know. I really feel like it is the gelatin, because the more I take of it, the more I experience that effect and when I stop taking it for a few days the effect goes away but comes back when I start taking it again.

Doesn't gelatin, or to be more specific the glycine in gelatin, deplete tryptophan in the body? Could this be producing the effect if I am tryptophan defiecient?

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 3/17/2007 10:58 PM
The strange thing about your experience is that it is tryptophan that can make you drowsy.  I don't know if anyone has ever reported a case like yours.  One possibility is that you are very low in tryptophan, unlike many Westerners.  You don't need to take gelatin as a supplement, depending upon your diet.  I take tiny amounts of some supplements, just trying to make sure that I have enough of the really important ones that I may not be obtaining enough of, so I'd suggest you only take very small amounts - perhaps 1/16 or 1/32 of a teaspoon each day, in the middle of a meal.

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 3/18/2007 3:38 AM
I think your suggestion may be correct. I really don't eat very much meat at all, and I intentionally avoid foods which I know to contain more then small amounts of tryptophan. My protein sources are mostly soured cream, cheddar cheese, brie, crab meat, shrimp, eggs, ice cream, and skimmed milk.

On a side note, last summer I was taking these weight gainer shakes that contained very large amounts of tryptophan. I felt so aweful on these shakes it wasn't even funny. I had a lot of "brain fog" and was just plain "out of it", groggy all the time, etc. It took about two weeks for that effect to go away after I stopped taking those shakes.

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 3/18/2007 4:26 AM
It sounds like you may be especially sensitive to the amino acid profiles of the protein you eat, so you might want to try and keep track of what you eat and how it effects you in this context.  Also, if you mean sour cream, the ones I've seen don't have much protein in them, though cottage cheese does.

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From: MSN Nicknametaka00381Sent: 3/20/2007 6:32 AM
Could it be that you are intolerant to gelatine? There are many companies testing the IgG as well as IgE intolerances novadays but such tests are pretty expensive. The intolerances can be reversed if they are caused by leaky gut once you heal it but in some cases people just lack the right protease to digest a specific protein. Here are some links to the tests:

http://www.optimumhealthresource.com/panels.html
http://www.yorktest.com/
http://www.usbioteklabs.com/english/HealthProbs.htm
http://www.vrp.com/det/9840.asp
http://www.backupmd.com/foodfoodalte.html
http://www.cambridge-nutritional.com/scripts/default.asp
http://www.directlabs.com/ImmunoLabs.php

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From: MSN Nicknametaka00381Sent: 3/21/2008 3:00 AM
Hans, how do you actualy prepare the gelatine before eating? It comes as a plain powder. Do you dissolve it in water or boil to make a jelly before eating?

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 3/21/2008 11:49 PM
I often just take a small amount of the powder in the middle of a meal, but I also eat the gelatin desserts. I was thinking about making my own, with the powder and canned pineapple.

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From: MSN Nicknamecody019Sent: 3/23/2008 1:17 PM
I make my own jello.  I buy the knox brand plain packets of gelatin and use tart cherry juice.  Tart cherry juice is really sour, so I add 1 1/2 TBS of sugar per packet. Black cherry juice makes good jello, too.   It's a good dessert.  I've been putting whipped cream on top.  You can also blend a few black cherries and some honey nto the whipping cream for the topping.

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From: MSN Nicknamecody019Sent: 3/28/2008 2:46 PM
Several days ago I saw gelatin on a list of foods that contain MSG!  I stopped eating it since then, and I am just starting to feel better today.  Does anyone know anything about gelatin and MSG?

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 3/28/2008 10:39 PM
If you read the label, it should say. However, I think if it says "natural flavor" in the USA it could have MSG, so check that out before you buy. I buy a large jar of gelatin. I got it at iherb.com

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From: MSN NicknamerensielkSent: 3/28/2008 11:25 PM
Another thing you could try is beef gelatin, which is available online and at some health food stores. Most gelatin is made from pork. I have heard that pork causes an insulin spike and that could be making you drowsy. Beef gelatin may be better for you. Also, I would not use skim milk and most ice cream. Haagen-Dazs is the only brand I know of without a big list of additives. Try their vanilla, chocolate, coffee, strawberry, and maybe rum raisin if you don't mind a little alcohol. Make sure the sour cream has no additives, too. Daisy Sour Cream has nothing but cultured cream. Most other brands have dozens of additives. Cottage cheese also has additives typically.

I suggest Farmers All Natural Creamery Whole Milk, if you're concerned about processing. It's organic, non-homogenized, grass-fed, and vat-pasteurized (30 minutes at 145F). It's not fortified, either. Some health food stores (like Whole Foods) carry it in the USA. I don't know where you are. You might be able to find something similar or even raw milk. Cheese may be best, because it stimulates less insulin than milk.

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Milk%20Final.pdf

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