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From: MSN Nicknamerensielk  in response to Message 4Sent: 3/18/2008 12:08 AM
The references I gave looked at refined sugars. Starches do not have this effect. I'm sure that the modern diet makes this situation worse, but it seems that refined sugars make even small amounts of PUFAs more harmful.

There are also studies saying that low-fat diets increase the levels of oxidized cholesterol, while high-fat diets decrease it. Here is a blog I've been reading with lot of references to these studies. The author favors a very high-fat, low PUFA, low-fiber, and low-carb diet. He eats small amounts of carbs like potatoes, 85% dark chocolate, etc.
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http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/

He's very against fruits and vegetables - thinks they are bad stuff. Here are some of his articles on "fruit and vegetables", presenting evidence that they increase oxidized cholesterol, lipid peroxidation, DNA and protein damage.

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2007/12/fruit-and-vegetables-re-post.html
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2007/08/vegetables-damage-your-dna-latest-study.html
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2007/09/fruit-and-vegetables-last-post-almost.html
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2007/12/fruit-and-vegetables-in-holland.html
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/01/there-are-people-like-these-scientific.html

Bruce


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     re: Honey Protects - Unlike Refined Carbs   MSN Nicknametaka00381  3/19/2008 3:30 AM
     re: Honey Protects - Unlike Refined Carbs   MSN Nicknametaka00381  3/19/2008 6:40 AM
     re: Honey Protects - Unlike Refined Carbs   MSN Nicknametaka00381  3/19/2008 7:30 AM