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I will be interested in some questions.
TRD for Russia is a young breed .We have people who consider that open angles is the most important problem for TRD and it is the most crucial thing in dog’s characteristics. However, according to some rumors, very good angles have been received by means of crossing with sheep-dogs, and as a result they received not only good angles, but also Ovtcharka colours . In fact, in the wild nature such angles for primitive dogs are not common. Could somebody make the situation clear?
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'Dont worry about the angles.
It´s more like an question about "judge education"...
They said the same here too, but we educated them.
LOL!
We made them change!
Compare other breeds with jumping abilities...like podengo,
Ibizadog. etc. Straight rears!!!! |
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I dont see anyone single characteristic (of course we cant forget the ridge!) as being most important in distinguishing the Thai Ridgeback. I think it is the entire form as a whole that makes it distinct even without the ridge.
In regard to all the proposed outcrosses: in every population their is always variation. from this variation we can artificially select to accentuate specific characteristics. so we see that an outcross to another breed is not necessary in order to improve or change a characteristic such as the angles(?) in the modern Thai Ridgeback.
im not clear as to what angles we are speaking of but as an example - if more bend of stifle was desired we would first select from available Thai Ridgeback for more bend of stifle, there would be no need to cross to another breed to get this characteristic or any other. Look at what they did to the show German Shepherd's angles - no outcross necessary they just kept selecting for more angle until they created todays crippled show GSD. these show GSD's were once the same as the working lines but through selection, not outcrosses to other breeds, they are now noteably very different.
not sure about the Ovtcharka colors. they seem to come in a variety of colors most often with white. The standard Thai Ridgeback colors are all solid and i dont see any similarities with Ovtcharka.
James El : www.ManapeThaiRidgeback.com |
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Yes.Of course many modern TRD have well angles, but how they receive it. For primitive dogs this angles are not typical.
Many author write that primitive dogs must have more straight angles. So version about sheppard dog is interesting, because some times we can see dogs with their color.
For example foto.
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Hi there, You are correct, there are no such well angles (90 degree) in the wild, but the breed required moderate angulation both in front and rear for motivation, a slighly longer upper thighs may cause the rear look straight, but doesn't means the angulation is straight. the same as level topline doesn't mean the dog need straight top line...... The modern TRD doesn't developed well angulation as rumous said, the overall modern TRD are only developing more better proportion than the original one.... The problem we have is not about how well the angulation is , it's about how to breed a balance front and rear angulation in a dog, can you get it ? For your education : SHOULDER : WELL LAID BACK Illustration : The forequarters should be strong and muscular. The shoulder blade must be laid back, forming as closely as possible, a 110 degree angle in its articulation with the upper arm. THIGHS : WELL DEVELOPED WITH WELL BEND STIFLES Illustration : The hindquarters should be strong, broad and muscular. The upper and lower thighs should be well developed with moderate angulation to balance the same degree of the forequarters. |
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About crossbreeding : It take several generations to purify once you cross breeding 2 breeds together, and I never cross with any genuis breeder who have that breeding plans in mind before ( except using CSP for blue color), all crossbreeding that I ever meet is just accidential breeding or using breeding stock from garbage ills ...  , as GSD and Dobie are the 2 famous western breed in Thailand at that time, you can easily see the GSD type TRD in the region where GSD are populare............ Crossing with GSD for working purpose or crossing with Dobie for show purpose are just BS talk for make the breed look great, it's not true in my opinion. About bad color : Don't be surprise getting bad color if breeder continue cross color breeding.......and don't be surprise getting skin problem if breeder continue breeding recessive gene.... |
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| excuse me please. But where i can see link about standart Illustration . |
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| This document is not yet an official paper, I just wrote it for those who willing learning more about the correctness of breed according to my knowledge, feel free addition your opnion in case you disagree with. Thank You ! |
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Thank you for putting my Kennel name under the dog you evaluate with 27 pictures, same as your Yod.
Regards Tina.
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| Thank you. I found a lot interesting for me. |
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Serge, Please email me privately. The email I sent you bounced as an invalid address. Thanks, K |
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