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From: MSN Nickname«Hıspet∞ƒury∞ŚteeL»  (Original Message)Sent: 10/15/2006 8:43 AM

 

 

For a number of years now, i have watched the development of the term Alpha submissive. Although the term in its new whimsical context has always, to some extent, irritated, what people need to call themselves is not high on my list of defining characteristics, and so, i left the debate to those who claimed they had an informed opinion and those bold enough to question it. How people behave towards others and how they take responsibility for who and what they are has always seemed to be far more important. Recently, i have had cause to reconsider the 'new' definitions of the Alpha submissive, as defined by one who is most vociferous on behalf of 'the cause' as well as observe the behavior of some of those same self-defined and self-designated 'alphas' and it has brought to my mind a need to respond. Thus i share these humble thoughts with you all *smiles*

Upon first hearing it, the term IS kinda catchy, for someone new and/or lacking knowledge of group formations within the Lifestyle and especially if they are unaware of what the term means within its most widely understood, traditional, and functional definition. In my experience the term alpha submissive has always been used to denote the more experienced submissive within a structured group or household, trusted and expected to lead other submissive members by example as well as providing guidance. Within a particular group or household the alpha submissive is a valuable position of responsibility that is a key element to maintaining the harmony of the group. The wealth of resources available online is a vast, wonderful thing. I was certain if any of the recently published theories regarding the existence of this new and improved alpha submissive were credible, i would easily find corroborating evidence to the fact. A sample of well over 100 random results yielded the following information .

The overwhelming number of results for the term alpha submissive were mostly anthropological studies of "Alpha" individuals in a social group (various primates, dogs, wolves, lions, hyenas etc.) most of which are rarely found attending a munch or other D/s activities. The few that used the term as it relates to the Lifestyle defined the alpha submissive as being the submissive in the role of "first girl," within a group, family, or home. This role is acknowledged and valued by both Dominant and sub alike within the group. ' The submissive acting as the Alpha sub the one among the other submissives, most respected and granted the greatest power. They have technical authority and the last word in the house over other submissives and when the house Dominant(s) are not present visiting Dominants will give the alpha submissive the respect of her position' (in Bolan,R. 2006; Mallory, F., 1994; Veaux, F., 2006; et al.). Clearly these definitions make sense in using the term alpha; "the 1st letter of the Greek alphabet to define "something that is first," (Merriam-Webster Dictionary, 2006). The authors apply the term properly in a way that has logical meaning to define a particular role of a submissive.

My objections to what this term has evolved into within certain circles lies in the expectations of those who have dramatized its import and dismissed its traditional meaning. We are supposed to adopt a new, far more profound, meaning of the term. we are expected to not notice this new meaning has little to do with the literal definition of the word 'alpha' and that it is nothing as specific as a term for a submissives position within a group. We are expected to not find it offensive that those who tout the validity of the term lump togeter the rest of us non-alphas into one group declaring us similar in nature , weak willed and complacent. We are expected to not notice that the examples of proof which supposedly validate the definition of this group, are questionable on every level they are presented be it physiological, psychological or sociological. It is assumed we arent quite paying attention as thel game goes on and inevitably wont remember which shell the pea is under. After the flurry of supposed scientific proof - misinterpreted clinical evidence and passionate testimonial... The brilliance and glamour of the Alpha submissive (as sayeth the applicable alpha of the species (Dominant or submissive of course) is such that we should all be left in awe of what they say they are, recognize the burden of their rich heritage and the courage they must have to move amongst those who have a 'different nature; to the degree, that we will notice neither the invalidity of their science nor the broad generalizations that describe the characteristics of this species and are presented as unique in some way to themselves.

We are expected to be dazzled by the pomp and fashionable fervor of this extraordinary creature to the extent we simply watch the growing parade go by and never speak out loud what it is many of us truly see. Yes, ...i’m the little girl pointing and saying "But...the Emperor has NO clothes!!"... the cloth they are made of is all in the imagination of the ones spinning the illusion. This is where my final objection lies, for we are dared to question the purveyors of this beautifully rich cloth. We are expected to accept their character is as above reproach as they say it is and their word �?the Truth." The ones who cannot see the cloth are the fools' they say .....They do sound convicted, they put on a good show, but there is simply nothing there.

Alpha anonymous poses a theory of some sort of secretive, on-line only vernacular in which her definition exists. Instead of bolstering her argument it appears that she only strengthens the appearance that her Alpha species is more make believe than offering something relevant. For those with off-line knowledge and experience this typifies and most likely appears to be just one more of those off-line to on-line mutations that someone proclaims to be a fact and distorts into the latest "new reality." It is no wonder this rationale meets with a less than warm acceptance. One cannot simply remove a word or term from the relational context in which it has functional meaning then expect well-informed people to have unquestioning acceptance of whatever new meaning is fabricated for it.

Alpha anonymous refers to the "building blocks" of the "Alpha nature" she was born with "swishing and swirling around" within her to set the premise for her mistaken belief that it is genetics that set the Alpha species apart from other submissives (or Dominants) and the underpinnings of her behavior. Nothing could be more naive or further from the truth. The once "sexy science" claiming that genes are the sole explanation for inherited traits has been proven false by the very studies conducted to prove this theory. Could there be anything more elitist, divisive, or condescending than to suggest that the genetic make-up of an individual’s submissiveness is significantly different and superior than that of another’s? The need for genetic predetermination to explain why one does the things she does more accurately reflects the desire to avoid our fears rather than to truly understand the results of our behavior and our responsibility for them.

DeeMarie (2004) claims in a discussion group thread, that the Alpha submissive is strong, confident, and assertive. Alpha anonymous contends that Alpha submissives are thinkers and intellectuals who posses powerful minds. my question simply is are these qualities unique from those of the many individuals in general who identify themselves as and choose the role of a submissive? These traits are not at all unusual when considering the person who sincerely, willingly, and consciously lays herself at another's feet in order to serve and submit. i am privileged to know several submissives who exemplify these traits. They have all been strong enough, confident enough, and assertive enough to balance their needs and their life circumstances with their submissiveness �?and are quite able to "surrender" to another as well as to themselves.

Alpha anonymous tries to further embellish the Alpha species with qualities like being well read, having exceptional leadership skills, holding managerial positions, and even something as arbitrary as being well traveled. Although citing descriptive qualities that are learned behaviors, acquired skills, or preferences of activities does nothing to support the theory that genetics are the source of such traits and therefore supports my own opinion.. For the purpose of continuity, i'll simply stick to the point that these traits are in no way unique to any one group. What is the difference between those who meet the challenges of their existence without the support of a self appointed term such as "Alpha submissive" and those who need to defend this term to the point of denigrating any discussion regarding its true purpose and meaning while belittling those of us who do not wear said term on our sleeve? In truth ...very little ... yet the discussion goes on.

Like Alpha anonymous, DeeMarie feels a compulsion to form a unique identity around what ironically seems to be their lack of ability and willingness to actually be submissive. The one piece of clarity she offers is that her submission only comes out in the boudoir. If DeeMarie or any other "well read" Alpha sub were to read the widely distributed article The 9 Levels of submission (Vera, D., 1984), they would see that this new found identity was defined long ago and their attempt to reinvent the wheel erroneously with the Alpha sub term is really unnecessary.

 

 



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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 6/10/2007 8:08 AM
Reposting this for blossom ... had to be edited.  E mail addresses cannot be contained in posts.
 
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameֻblõşşõmֻ</NOBR> Sent: 6/10/2007 12:38 AM
written by dove_wing.......who is Mentored by winds of tara:
 
Subject: analysis of blossom
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:27:24 -0400

l would like you to write an analysis of blossom......on her words here today in the time she has been here look at it unemotionally and clinically.....you may not put any personal opinions in this essay
  
my observations on 10 May 2007 in the chat room of blossom told me she is a very insecure individual with child like tendencies. She has a great deal of anger inside of her that she is holding onto. Her argumentative and pessimistic behaviour serves to push people away and try to either wear them down to the point of just giving her what she wants or to walk away from her. If the latter occurs she can blame them and not her behaviour for the separation. If she gets what she wants it only worsens the behaviour and shows her they do not truly care. It is most likely a self defense mechanism she has incorporated into her life to keep everyone at arms length and herself safe. Her comments of negativity towards herself come from low self-esteem and confidence showing she needs constant re-assurance. She more than likely does this to elicit positive feed back from others to try and make herself feel better, but instead she makes herself more angry. Her insistence on having an alternate place to speak tells me she does not trust those around her and is a secretive person. The fact that she was whispering when she has been directed not to shows that she will try to get away with being disobedient when she thinks she can. Her behaviour in general shows subservience and a lack of respect for the people around her. She shows no problem putting others in a compromising position if she feels it will suit her needs, and is willing to do whatever suits her to get the results she is looking for.

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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 6/10/2007 8:14 AM
Reposting for blossom.  E Mail addresses cannot be contained in posts.
 
Subject: Please Read
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:58:53 +0000

hello blossom...........l have only a few hours left before l will be offline..........l have had some hours to think about you and your behaviour and l have come to a decision.........a decision l have taken upon myself to make without discussing with the other Owners....because frankly.........the decision is not only been made for you.......but for them as well..........
blossom it is time for me to tell you a few things that need to be told........and it really is only for your own health and well being...........when l first met you all that long ago.....it did not take me long to realise that you were suffering from what wrm bravely told you tonight that you are suffering from a form of depression.........depression does not mean you are crazy........far from it actually....depression happens to the very best of people.........one of the things that has happened to you......and perhaps if l explain it like this......the little factory in your brain that makes your endorphins......these are what are known as happy hormones.....these little things make us happy........your little factory has gone on strike.....and these endorphins are not being produced..........this can happen for a variety of reasons......these reasons can have happened long ago....or perhaps in the present but normally it happens over a great period of time..........if l were to surmise l would say this has been going on without you realising it for a long time.......and it has made you terribly unhappy.......and even you said you dont know why.........l want to help you blossom but l have to tell you the truth.......you have a strong nature blossom......but even the strongest of us fall.........and usually the strongest fall the hardest........because they are unable to accept  that they can be open to being infallable and vulunerable.....that happens to other people not strong people........but l am afraid it does happen to strong people blossom........it is obvious that at some stage of your life you have gone through a very traumatic experience.....possibly even more than one......and you have tried to cope with this yourself..........but not having the knowledge like many people......all you have done is make other symptons appear...........eating when you are unhappy..........mood swings that are becoming more and more frequent............your sleep patterns would be completely out of routine.......and with that brings poor concentration.......lack of motivation to do anything whether it be around your house..looking after yourself.......everything you would do is only because you have too..........which would then bring on another symptom where your self esteem and confidence would fall even lower........and that is why you become defensive....because you know there is a problem........but at the same time you dont feel you have any problems everyone else has..........this depression has got to a stage through not getting attention to it has now caused you to speak of death.......blossom....l cant stress to you enough that you MUST go and see your Doctor......it is imperitive.........you must sit down with your Doctor and be completely honest with  them......do not be embarrassed.....you are not the only person who has this.......this is now one of the biggest problems in people world wide.............you must understand..........this is not going to go away.......it is going to get worse.......much worse........if you dont care about yourself....at least care about your family...........you could get to a stage where you could harm yourself  or even others..........this condition is completely managable....and eventually can be completely fixed..........but it can only be done if YOU go to your Doctor and tell him all the things you know what is wrong with you........the Doctor would have heard it all before.....and if you begin to cry when you are telling them.......its ok.....it is part of the condition..........90% of your behaviour is due to the depression you have..........if you do as l advise......and allow the Doctor to treat you.........you will be so surprised in the change in your.........remember the factory........it is not working..........your seritonum is low and this is what is making you depressed.......now that l have explained just the tip of the iceberg to you blossom....it is now up to you whether you do anything about it...............so l am going to give you some time to think about it......and hopefully do something about it............
l will be going offline in a few hours.........well when l eventually get to bed that is.........and l am not quite sure when l will be back.........it could be 3 days......5 days......7 days....l dont know because it depends on how long this takes.............
so the following are requests to Master Antony.......Amadena.....Colleen........Master Shandor......dovewing...........wrmhrtcldtoes.......
kiylakitty.........under no circumstances is blossom allowed to enter the chatroom..........she may not enter the chatroom untill the 1st of June 2007 Australian Time..........if she does come in she is to be requested to leave.......if she refuses after being told once then she is to be booted for 24 hours..........if she returns again.........she is to be asked once again to leave if she does not comply she is to  be booted for 24 hours........if she comes in anytime after the second time there is no asking......she is just to be booted for 24 hours.............Master Antony is away so l do not have access to the bots......but if she does break the rules above.....and if Master Antony returns before me.....if he could ban blosson and then unban her on 1st of June Australian time 2007........
blossom these consequences are happening for  your own well being...also the fact that you simply cannot do as you are asked............you whispered wrmhrtcldtoes.......with the comment

"get your BUTT back in here"

that comment is simply unacceptable......you may find speaking to people acceptable but from where l am from it is rather ordinary..........you forget your place blossom........you are not part of any Host team........you are not one of the Owners of Newbies Group or chatroom.........you are  a member which makes you part of the family...it does not give you the right to question or have any Owner justify their business and what they do to you...........you are blaming everyone else for your depression.........go to your Doctor and begin the road to recovery....like millions and millions of others around the world have
l am afraid l have no more time to spend with you blossom as l have a number of things l must do before l go offline.........
but there is one thing l want to remind you of.....something you have selfishly chosen to forgotten.......there are a number of the Owners who are ill at the moment......dove-wing....wrmhrtcldtoes.....Amadena.....Master Shandor......and of course there is myself.........as far as l go.....l always try to mentally prepare myself to deal with you.....but it still is unhealthy for me.........however.......l am not going to allow you to put further stress upon these people whilst l am not here......in fact.....even when l return this is not going to happen.......that is another reason why you may not return to the chatroom untill the 1st of June 2007.....these people need to concentrate on their health.....YOU need to do something about yours.....and l need some time blossom.........
You may NOT write abusive letters to anyone from Newbies if you do...l will make the time even longer......each letter or whisper will cost one week longer........so the choice is yours
 
Peace and Blessings

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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 6/10/2007 8:19 AM
Reposting for blossom ... E Mail addresses cannot be contained in posts
 
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameֻblõşşõmֻ</NOBR> Sent: 6/10/2007 12:44 AM
From: "winds of tara"
To:
Subject: regards winds of tara Re Mentorship
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:13:38 +0000

Goodmorning blossom..........
 
l am writing to you this morning because........the time has come where this must all stop........you have issues that are so deeply seated within your personality that only professional therapy will help you blossom..........l am not sure if you understand that each of us not only in our professions but in our life have whats known as a ..." Duty of Care"..........and to give you an idea of what that truly means is...there is an old saying........" Do the needs of One outweigh the needs of Many.......or Do the needs of Many out wiegh the needs of One".......depending on the circumstances.....it can go either way....but this time around .." The needs of Many outweigh the needs of One".......
l have to as a responsible human being.....takes steps to take up my....."Duty of Care".......in regard to you.......in fact in the reality of it all blossom the Duty of Care decision has been made by Master Shandor and Master David with the full backing of Master Antony and l am confident in saying all others concerned that have had to deal with you......you cannot deny that everyone has gone beyond the call of duty to try and help you.....but no matter what we try and do......what avenue and approach we try.....it fails everytime..........and in all honesty l really do not see that changing..........there are individuals in our Home that are not well.......and their health must come before your petualant behaviour.........it has got to a point where people are having to take a deep breath befoe they enter the room because they really do not know what they are going to encounter with you...........and that is not only unfair to them but wrong......it is not the mantra to Our Home and Chatroom.........
l am not going to lecture you blossom in regard to what you must do in your life......for ultimately it is up to you.........however l am going to pass onto you the instructions that have come from my Masters........and the decision l have made on behalf of the Rest of The Alpha's and all those who are within the walls of Our Family.........which includes you l might add.........
it is with regret blossom that my Master's have forbidden me to Mentor you........Master Shandor would like to see you in the Newbies Chatroom Thursday Night American time.......he will be online after 7pm Californian Time.......it is then he will explain to you why......as far as the decision l have made on behalf of Newbies.....this has not been discussed with the Owners nor the Hosts.....something that is not normally done........but this time round l have taken it upon my self to do so..........you may stay in Our Home D.s Newbies.....you may also come to the chatroom when ever you feel like it.........it is up to the individual person on whether they wish to speak to you  in whisper......you may not whisper me.......you  must speak to me in the room......l rarely whisper anyway.......all instructions that were placed on you have ceased.......you are free to do as you wish as the same as any other person can.......you may cup as long as you wish........as you are a member of Newbies...........you may even ask questions to help you along in your journey.......and l am sure everyone would be pleased to answer them.........but the rules to our Chatroom and Home now apply to you in regard to your behaviour..........if you distrupt our Home you will be asked to leave untill you can come back and speak to anyone with politeness and manners.......if you find you are unable to do this.....you will be removed for a term of time untill you can do so........l can no longer tolerate you making  other members of  this family's chat experience a nightmare.........
Any Host in the Newbies chatroom may now use at their descretion the power of removal if you do not aheare to the rules and mantra we have in place...........because you  do not have the protection of what is given via a mentorship....your behaviour is entirely up to you........the responsibility is being firmly placed back into your own lap........for me personally blossom l must concentrate on those who truly do wish to receive help.....such as Amadena...who is not online at the moment but will return when she can.....dove-wing's mentorship.........to which she takes extremely seriously.......kiylakitty's path in helping her in her journey.....these people actually want the help blossom so it is my responsibility to look towards them......and of course l am unable to disobey my Master's instructions..........
l hope to see you in the chatroom and Community......l wish you Good luck with your articles......and l hope that in some way We can All help you in some small way........
 
Peace and Blessings

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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 6/10/2007 8:27 AM
Reposting for blossom.  E mail Addresses cannot be contained in posts.
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameֻblõşşõmֻ</NOBR> Sent: 6/10/2007 12:47 AM
 
 
From: "Master Antony"
To: several other people
Subject: RE: FW: RE: regards winds of tara Re Mentorship
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:32:23 +0000

Well now blossom, if we had decided to be "rid" of you, that could have been easily done a long time ago, and you know it, so dont bother starting with that garbage, its not washing .......you have manipulated those around you into spending valuable time pampering youand its not "funny".....you have learn't no more today than you did six months ago, and thats not funny either .....you can't hold a conversation in the room because its not "centered" around you....and you have little interest in anyone else but yourself, that much is quite plain, otherwise you would not have been so persistant with your petulant ways yet again.....this site and room was purpose built to help those who need it, its resources were available to you as well as all its members, and you have done nothing but abuse this privilage ......so .....we go back to working with those who "want" to be helped, and you recieve an "F".....school is now closed .....and you are on your own ........its as simple as that, so I suggest you start by growing up and accepting responcibility for your own actions, as quite frankly ...its a notion that long over due.

should you decide to create drama in the room or the community, I would strongly advise agains't it, If I see one comment out of line, one hint of "pity me" rubbish, I shall eradicate you permenantly, this is your final and last warning, no if's no buts, or maybe's .........there comes a time when enough is enough ......and that time has come....MA.


From: "winds of tara"
To: 5 other people
Subject: FW: RE: regards winds of tara Re Mentorship
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:04:26 +0000

l am too tired to deal with this..l have sent this to all concerned so you all know what your in for....


From: ". .." <blossoms>
To: tara

Subject: RE: regards winds of tara Re Mentorship
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:08:54 -0500

Funny how i DO the challenge questions and i'm not good enough

Funny i DO all your punishment essays and stuff and i'm not good enough.

Funny how i brace for your abuse for 33 days and sucessfully make two days without being kicked, and i'm not good enough.

isn't it strange how you just kept upping the anti trying to get rid of me...........and now you pull this shit..........funny.  What's the next thing your going to try so that i leave?


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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 6/10/2007 8:33 AM
Reposting this for blossom.  E Mail addresses cannot be contained in posts.
 
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameֻblõşşõmֻ</NOBR> Sent: 6/10/2007 12:51 AM
From: "winds of tara"
To: blossom
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:15:40 +0000

Dear blossom....of course now that you have chosen to leave...... we of course are not able to place your articles.......we cannot do that without your permission and since we don't have it......your articles will be omitted from the Challenge.........pity actually.......they were rather good......
 
yours faithfully
 
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From: MSN Nickname¤¤ćąļīꤤSent: 7/31/2007 8:02 AM
I have a suggestion, if anyone is interested.
 
If blossom can not post the articles in Newbies, would she be able to post them here?
 
I have seen the challenges in Newbies and even responded to one of them recently.  Although there are no challenges here, the articles are still relevant for posting in any group, due to their being opinions of topics challenged and are great for getting discussions going, not to mention a learning tool.
 
Shifting Winds Sir...would you not agree blossom be allowed to still post the articles she spent so much time on, just post them here instead?  Just a thought.
 
calie

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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 8/4/2007 1:06 AM


Dear calie:

I have no interest in providing a forum to or giving the appearance of supporting the sort of nonsense concocted by the self-named Scorpion and the Chairman of the Alphas.  Call Me just plain silly, but I hardly think that an alleged dominant who threatens to "eradicate" a person or an alleged submissive who calls herself “The Scorpion�?and gloats about being a predator demonstrate that they have much to contribute in the way of relevant learning tools for people who are credibly serious about “the Lifestyle.�?nbsp;

Moreover, I am familiar enough with the Newbie's Challenge 2007 to recognize its similarity to the Challenge 2006 version which was a poorly disguised exercise in agenda manufacturing that attempted to perpetuate the myth of the Alpha species. Ironically it turned into an expose of fraud, facade, and fantasy that culminated in the same sort of vendetta that blossom has been subjected to.

What the Newbie's Challenge 2006 made clear is that anyone who dared to challenge "The Challenge" would be attacked with false accusations, insults, and the same sort of demented, psychological warfare that blossom has shared here.  One submissive was taken to task because she eloquently expressed her concerns and skepticism of the Alpha concept.  It seems that the Scorpion had a difficult time when someone more intelligent and articulate dares to disagree with her babble.  Like blossom, this submissive was attacked in the cowardly "ganging up" tactics of the Alpha pack that have become familiar to those who have been their target.

MasterAnus, "one of the Gorean Guardians" of The Scorpion, fabricated a claim that the submissive had made the Alphas out to be Nazis.  There was no truth to this. Nowhere did she ever use the term Nazi.  She simply had referenced the book Brave New World as an example of why the term Alpha might have a negative connotation for some people. After establishing his falsehood, however, the Guardian continued his attack in a mumble jumble of third-person speak, ferociously expressing self-righteous anger for this fraudulent affront to his make believe "honor." 

The Chairman of the Alphas chimed in as he sunk into the same cesspool of insults and fabrications of his Alpha “Brother�?to chastise the submissive   After these two fine examples of a Duminant had laid the groundwork with their assaults, the Scorpion joined in the attack with one of her scurrilous rants. Although not nearly as vitriolic, other members posted responses just as ignorant and condescending in their tacit support of the assault on the submissive. The goose-stepping rhythm of follow the leader permeated the thread.

Newbies Challenge 2006 was a fiasco that ended up hurting a number of people.  Like the submissive I spoke of, they possessed enough of a healthy perspective to see through the manipulations of the Alphas to walk away.  They joined a long line of former Alpha friends as well as former co-owners and hosts who, in one way or another, had become targets themselves.  All of these folks have something in common with blossom, they came to understand the duplicity, deceit, and cruelty that resides in the Home of the Alphas.  It is fascinating to watch how the ranks have continued to swell.

The Scorpion’s claim that she could not post blossom’s article without permission rings hollow.  She has not let it stop her from doing this in the past.  The fact is, this thread originated because an article debunking the Alpha species theory pointed out that The Scorpion had posted the words of another.  It was obviously done without permission as she did not cite the source and attempted to make it look as if they were hers.  Furthermore, she posted the article in her Comm without permission, as a way to deliver one of her hysterical, deceitful, character-smearing tirades that usually follow when she is held accountable. Based on her past practices, it would appear that the Scorpion only mentioned not posting blossom’s article as way to taunt and hurt her further.

I recognize that you found value in the Newbies Challenge calie, and feel a need to give blossom the opportunity to post her article.  Perhaps you could best fulfill that need by having her post it in your Comm, that is, if she is even still interested.  I think you can see by the commentary throughout this thread, its continuation in Alpha Antics, and in the recent thread started by blossom that many have reached out to her. As Z kindly and wisely encouraged her to “try and put all of this in the past �?Let the past go, and begin a new journey�?�? I’d say blossom has taken this to heart and begun a new journey for herself. 


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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 8/10/2007 11:36 PM
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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname¤¤ćąļīꤤ</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 8/9/2007 6:21 PM
As you suggested Shifting Wind Sir...I would be more then happy for blossom to post her piece in my group...I would be honored is she did so.
 
blossom...just say the word and I will put the link to my group here, with permission of course, then you can post your piece or any other piece you may like.  Think I already have a page set up for articles from members, if not, I will create one.
 
Bit of a problem with my group...pages are still there, but graphics are giving me a  headache, think it's this new computer and vista....I can't upload any images to fix the look of my pages, content is still there and you can still find them in the contents at the side, it just looks really really plain....sad state of affairs when someone who loves creating as much as I do...lol...oh well, am sure msn will fix it...someday.
 
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From: MSN Nickname¤¤ćąļīꤤSent: 8/12/2007 2:57 AM
Not a problem trouble...will have to get use to the new nic lol...if you ever do want to join my group, you're more then welcome, it's an open invitation if you should ever want to use it.
 
As for not inviting you to join my group in the past, could have sworn you were at one time in the old group, before I deleted it, but...my memory is not perfect, I may be wrong. I pretty much don't invite people to join, I just let them know I have a group and if they want to join...fine, if not...fine.
 
A heads up, in case you ever change your mind in the future...both tara and MA are in my group.  Whether or not they will remain I can not say, that depends on their behavior and whether or not I keep the group open.  There is almost no activity there right now and if this does not change in the near future, then there would really be no point it keeping going, so we shall see what the future brings.
 
I am glad you are happy in this home of yours and although I don't know everything that happened with the newbies crew, I am sorry you had to go through that...so much has changed in the past two years, including people, I feel like a stranger with almost everyone I use to know.  Anyhow, ta for now and hope our paths continue to cross.
 
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