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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 5/15/2008 11:31 PM

~Philippians 2~ March 5, 2006

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:  2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Now ask yourself this question: which mind is God telling us to let be in us? Is it this mind of thinking ourselves equal with God, or is it this humble mind of being a servant of God? See, the mind which he wants to be in us, is the mind which Jesus had on earth. It is not telling us that Jesus had this mind and form before he was born. It is merely telling us that at some time Jesus did have this form, and that is when he was exalted by God, after his resurrection.

I will attempt to answer this Scripture, as God would have me do. May His truth come forth to each of us. Since I know that Jesus did not exist before his birth to Mary, Since I know that no Scripture says this, then I must look for the answer elsewhere, as you all should do. Until someone gives me a Scripture which CLEARLY states that Jesus was pre-existent, or incarnate, or God before he became man, or anything which proves these words, then you must all look for the interpretation elsewhere. If the Word does NOT teach that, then you must seek to know what it is saying, if you want truth.

Many  people believe that Phil. 2 is showing that Jesus was in the form of God BEFORE he came to earth. And since no other Scripture interprets it this way, then that cannot be the correct answer. To start your quest as to the truth of this Scripture, ask yourself, is there any Scripture which teaches us that the heavenly beings, who inhabit Heaven as God’s kingdom, were formed. The word teaches that the Heavenly Kingdom had neither beginning or ending, neither father or mother. They were not FORMED. They are eternal. They are spirit. So then, how could this Scripture in Phil. 2 be stating that Jesus was in the FORM of God, before he came to be a human man? To be in the ‘form�?of God, would be saying that Jesus was formed. So if that be true, then he could not have been one of the eternal beings. If he is not eternal, then he did not exist before his birth here. If he is eternal, then he would have had to have an end. Then that would cross the Word which states that they have neither beginning of ending of days. If this eternal being left heaven, and came to earth and then died on a cross, then that eternal being had an end. Jesus himself stated that the things concerning me have an end. Then this itself denies that he was an eternal being. That is enough to PROVE conclusively that Jesus did not exist as part of the heavenly kingdom, in the form of God, before he was born here as a man. For if he was born here, with death in his members, as mortal, then that alone proves that this ‘supposedly eternal being�?had an end. It would cross the other Scripture and no truth would be present.

Then of course, as I have already stated, you must find Scripture proof that a heavenly being left heaven and became a tiny egg cell growing inside Mary. No one yet, has come forth with even one single proof of this matter. Yet millions of deceived folks still cling to this false teaching, seeking no proof.

Until you start searching the Scripture for proof of any and all teachings, you are open to Satan to tell you just anything. You are subject to all kinds of lies and evil doctrines. Jesus said search the Scriptures. Do you do this? Or do you just accept what some man told you?

I am saying here is where the first part of Philp 2:6 ---Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:---

Is fulfilled. Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Mr 16:10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

Mr 16:11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. Mr 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. (So do you think this is the third form Jesus has been in? How many do you think there were? Do you have Scripture proof? If he was in a different form, before he was born, then in the form of sinful man, then after his resurrection, he was in another form, and possibly another one yet after he ascended, then that is more than two forms. Is this truly taught in Scripture? I think not.)

The Scripture in Philippians is saying that when Jesus was in the form of God, (which was after his resurrection), he then thought it not robbery to be equal with God, for God had THEN given Jesus the same power and authority as God had. God had set Jesus up to be God at that time, and sat him on his own throne. This made Jesus now equal with God. But Jesus had NOT sought to be equal with God. Jesus had not coveted this position as Adam had. So Jesus did not seek to ‘rob�?God of his glory or power, as Adam had done. God GAVE this to Jesus as a reward for his perfect obedience.

Then the Scripture drops back to Jesus�?earthly life, showing that he did not seek to lift himself up, seeking to make himself of a great reputation. This was the sin of Adam, not Jesus.

God exalted Jesus to the form of God after Jesus had fulfilled his life in obedience to God, here on earth. He was never in the form of God before he was born here. This is purely showing that this occurred after he was resurrected. It may seem that it is saying Jesus was in this heavenly form first, but that is because people do not have the truth, and do not read the Scripture in the same sense it was spoken. Many times a verse will speak of something on down in time, then drop back to an earlier time. That is what happened in the Scripture in Philippians. Jesus never claimed to be equal with God in his earthly lifetime. He said, My Father is GREATER than I. He was God’s servant while in this life. He is now God’s right hand ruler. He appeared in this form of God after his resurrection, not before. He was in the likeness or form of sinful man before his glorification.

To try to say he was in the form of God before he was born, is adding stuff to the Word which is not taught in the Word. I am saying what the Word says, that he was in another form after his resurrection, not before. Again I say that to try and say that Jesus was in this form of God BEFORE he was born, then left heaven and came to Mary’s womb, then was born as we are, then died and went into hellfire, is to deny that the heavenly beings, spirits, have no ending of LIFE. Jesus died. His life ended. This alone proves he was not one of the heavenly spirits before he was here as a man. They do not ever die. They are eternal.

If an eternal being came to earth and DIED, then it is not eternal after all. It had an end. They have no ending of days. So who you going to believe? As for me, I accept fully and only what the KJV teaches.

Jo Smith

 



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 Message 2 of 2 in Discussion 
From: joie2Sent: 8/21/2008 3:41 PM
I think this is a good one to send around again.  I have read it here today.  Still believe every word of this message.  Still, no one has come by, and given any proof of any 'pre-existence' of Jesus, yet the entire church world believes this lie.
 
Why not prove it?  Why just accept man's false ideas?  God said,  prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.  That which is good, is the truth of IT IS WRITTEN.