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I have challenged trinitiarians over and over ---- WHY DO NONE OF YOU BRING FORTH EVEN ONE WORD OF SCRIPTURE PROVING THIS LYING DOCTRINE?

I would be afraid to keep believing a doctrine for which there is not one single word of Scripture. I am asking again, bring forth one verse stating this doctrine.

It just cannot be done -- yet I would venture to say 85% of the 'church' world believes this lie. The rest believe the Jesus only lie. why is this? No true revelation from the Holy Ghost.

1. They say Jesus is the 'second person' in the god-head. ......now I ask someone, any trinity believer to please give me one verse which says this. If you cannot, then maybe you better check up on what you rest your soul on.

2. They say the Father is the 'first person' in that god-head. Again please give me one verse saying this.

3. They say the HG is the 'third person' in the god-head. Scripture, Please?

4. They say these are all three co-equal beings, made up of the same substance. Verse, please?

They say these are all three men, for if they are the same substance and co-equal, then they must all be men >>>>>or they must all three be spirit>>>>which? Give Scripture.

5. They say Jesus was just as much God as the other two >>> then how did he die? Can God die? Please give verse for this.

6. They say, God the Son. Please find the verse which uses this term.

Jesus had the HG inside himself. If the HG is a man just as Jesus is, and they are of equal substance, then HOW DID JESUS HAVE THE HG INSIDE HIMSELF?

Please explain with Scripture.

Jesus also said the Father was inside himself. Again if the Father is a man, same as Jesus, how was the Father inside Jesus?

How are they inside us? ... If they are men. Also it says we have Jesus, the Father and the HG inside us..... now I ask you,, is this three co-equal beings inside me? Is it three men? Is it three Spirits? Which. If you say spirits, then this is denying that Jesus came in flesh. If you say men, then you must believe that three men are inside us. If you say one is a man, Jesus, and the other two are spirits, then they are not all three of the same substance. And also then Jesus a man has to be inside us.

How is this possible? Think? Are you on solid ground?

Is this trouble making? NO-- I am trying to get you to truth. It is necessary for salvation to know and BELIEVE THE TRUTH.

The word said if you believe a lie you will be damned. Is trying to keep you from being damned trouble making and hate> No.

By saying Jesus is God, please explain how Mary gave birth to God.

So which is it --where they all three men? or are they all three spirit? if spirit, then how did man nail a spirit to the cross and kill him?

The HG was inside John before he was born. So if the HG is a man as was Jesus, how was he inside an unborn baby?

If he was not a man, how are he and Jesus of the same substance? How were they equal?

Is there any solid truth or Scripture supporting this teaching? Can any of you answer even one of the questions with Word?

If not, how long will you cling to a doctrine which you can not find one word of God to back it up? Have you no fear of believing something which is not written in God's word? Is this why so many of you are trying feverioushly to discredit the entire Word of God?

If any of you here are serious about having eternal life, you need to get into this study and find answers.

If you cannot prove any of this teaching with the Written word [and pillar and the others who say the spirit without the written word teaches them, then you tell us how it teaches you this is] -

but if you cannot prove this lie, and you belong to a church which teaches this, then I would say it is TIME FOR YOU TO CHECK UP ON YOUR CHURCH.....ARE YOU BEING LED ASTRAY BY A FALSE CHURCH? Sure sounds like it to me. If your church teaches this, then get some of them [pastor] or teacher, to give you the proof out of the Word then give it to me. If they cannot, better run for your eternal lives.

Jesusfreak [I certainly do not like that term] but as you wish.....now it is as I said in my original message, You nor anyone else can give even ONE VERSE of Scripture saying any of the 'trinity' stuff you quote here. It is all just hand-me-down junk from the Catholic Church. You are only quoting the lies you have been taught. God has not revealed one bit of this stuff to you,,,,,,for it is all lies.

You cannot quote one single verse of Scripture using the words 'trinity'. 'triune' incarnate' eternal son, triune family, or anything else you said.

No one here denies the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost. what we deny by the Word of God, is that these are a trinity of three persons. It is a lie of Satan.

The Son is not God. He was not a god who left heaven and got into Mary's womb and was then born into human flesh. This is doctrines of devils.

No Verse of Scripture, in the KJV, {I use no other} uses the term, 'God the Son'. Show me that verse if you can. quote it for me. show me one verse using the term 'first person' second person' and third person in a godhead. It is lies of Satan.

Show me one verse saying God is three co-equal persons. It is a lie of Satan. Not one single writter in the Scripture ever said one word about any trinity. That is also a lie of Satan.

Jesus certainly did not teach any such evil stuff. He never one time said I and my Father are equals. Show it if you can. He said My Father is GREATER than I. [the jews falsly accused Jesus of this, but it was their lies]

He said I do always the things which please my Father. Jesus christ was a full human, made in all points like unto his brethern. He was NOT GOD.

You cannot show one scripture saying Jesus was God. You cannot show one verse of Scripture saying God the son robed himself in human flesh and was born of a woman. Man, this mess is foreign to the Word of God.

Your post sounds like a myth book. It is certainly NOT SCRIPTURE.

You might ought to stop quoting made-up myths and study the Written Word of God.

Lets finish this conversation here.

Jazz, none of those Scriptures you give say Jesus was God. True Thomas did call him MY......LORD AND MY.....GOD....but only after the resurrection.

Some people call Baal My God......but does that make him God? No. Read Hebrews One. You will see that God set Jesus to be 'our' God after he ascended to heaven. God told us and all angels to worship his Son. That makes him be our God. Thomas had received this revelation.

See also that Jesus said , The Spirit of the Lord God is UPON me.....notice he did not say I am the Lord God. He never at any time or place said I am God. You cannot find it.

Now I have many messages in here which fully explains all of the question you raised. I will try to go to each of them and explain this to you. In the meantime, take the time to READ the EMMANUEL message and the proof of it.

That is a stationary page here.

Remember this, IF JESUS HAD BEEN GOD, HE COULD NOT HAVE DIED......AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT MARY GAVE BIRTH TO GOD. This is foolish beyond words.

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Sent: 9/10/2005 5:53 PM

From: joie in response to Message 15 Sent: 9/10/2005 4:30 PM

Remember this, IF JESUS HAD BEEN GOD, HE COULD NOT HAVE DIED......AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT MARY GAVE BIRTH TO GOD. This is foolish beyond words.

JOIE. foolsball once again. the bible NEVER said mary gave birth to God. read the story.

Jazz, I ALREADY have messages here explaining fully, both Isa. 9:6 and Matt 1:23.

I will send them both back to the top of the page.

Now if you are too lazy to read them, just go on believing your lies. AND THEY ARE NOT WRITTEN IN ANY FOOLSBALL TERMS EITHER.

They are written in glory from Heaven. They are written In terms on the level of Paul's writtings. For the same God gave it to me who gave it to Paul.

But I happen to know they are both so far above your level of understanding, that it will be impossible for you to ever grasp the truth of these deep messages.

But for the sake of anyone else who might be interested, I will send them to the top.

I don't think you will even bother to read them, for I happen to know that you are not the least bit interested in learning any truth. You only want to sneer and mock me and truth. but that is ok. THat is your lose. I have the glory and the food from Heaven and the truth and the light.

So now I am NOT going to write those messages again. I have already written them both.

Luke 2:22- And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

Heb. 9:24 says that Christ entered into heaven, now to appear in the presence of God for us.

Now do you believe that Jesus is God? If so, how is it that he went to appear INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD?

If he is God, how is he in the presence of himself? Why would he have to enter into heaven to appear in the presence of God? Was He in His own presence on earth? Is it correct to say one enters into the presence of his own self?

read the scriptures. any pagans that refered to another as god...it was always "god" with a small "g"

but with thomas why did the kjv writers put captial "g" with thomas's statement? [jazz]

The whore church [all of them] has taught her false and deceiving lies for so long and reached almost everyone with them, that there is almost no one who can get out of that delusion and 'hear' the truth when it is presented again.

That was a really good post no matter who did it.

Is there anybody that can answer every question

with proof, I am another who really wants to

Yes, Raheyl 14. I did this post. I am Jo, the manager here. AND yes, I can and have answered all these questions here many, many times proven with the Written Word of God.

Let me know which question you are interested in. We will discuss it until you are satisfied. I am thankful to see one person who really wants to know.

That is certainly a 'rarity' today. I welcome you with all my heart and wish to discuss these important matters with you.

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