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Freeborn22 (Original Message)

Sent: 10/13/2005 9:34 PM

<NOBR>Col 2:10</NOBR>	And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
<NOBR>Col 2:11</NOBR>	In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
<NOBR>Col 2:12</NOBR>	Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
<NOBR>Col 2:13</NOBR>	And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
<NOBR>Col 2:14</NOBR>	Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
<NOBR>Col 2:15</NOBR>	And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
<NOBR>Col 2:16</NOBR>	Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
<NOBR>Col 2:17</NOBR>	Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Now this says we are complete in Christ. We need not law. We are complete with the circumcision made without hands = Baptism in the NT way.

This plainly says that Jesus took that law out of the way, nailed it to his cross and delivered us from it. When he said let no man judge you by these things, it is the things of that old LAW. It plainly says these were only shadows of the true things to come of Christ.

So do you wish to have shadows or the real thing? Salvation does not come by LAW. If you deny this much Scripture, you do not believe the Word of God.

From:

Freeborn22

Sent: 10/13/2005 9:35 PM

Ac 15:1

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Ac 15:2

When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

These men were trying to take the Christians BACK to law, and saying without law, they could not be saved. Well Let's just see what the Apostles say about this:

Ac 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

Ac 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Ac 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

Ac 15:9
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Ac 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Ac 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Now see that Peter called this law a yoke of BONDAGE on the neck of their fathers. They were not able to bear it. So He said why tempt God to place this yoke back on our necks? So I ask you the same thing........why are you trying to bring the Grace......free.....Christians....back under this yoke of BONDAGE.

Ac 15:23
And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

Ac 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Now you best listen to this: this is all the early Church leaders in agreement on this subject of Christians having go keep the law. They called it subverting their souls to be told they must go back to the law of Moses [the Ten]. They said WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT.

To say Christians must be circumcised and keep the law is troubling them. All the Apostles agreed that this is not for the NT Christians.

So who are you to try and bring us back under that bondage? Do you not believe the Apostles? If not, then why even bother with the Word of God and religion? Are you trying to subvert the souls of Christians? You are if you try to bring them into the bondage of LAW.

Jesus nailed that law to his cross and took it out of the way. I will give you Scripture for this also. Now in the face of this much Scripture PROVING that law is done away with now, how can you continue to deny this truth? Bring forth Scriptrue proving your words.........that we must still keep law. Where is your Scripture for this?

From:

Freeborn22

Sent: 10/13/2005 9:36 PM

>Ga 2:15</NOBR>	We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
<NOBR>Ga 2:16</NOBR>	Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. [this says we are not justified by the works of the law.]
<NOBR>Ga 2:17</NOBR>	But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
<NOBR>Ga 2:18</NOBR>	For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
<NOBR>Ga 2:19</NOBR>	For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. This says you must be dead to law to live unto God. If you go back to law, you make yourself a transgressor.
<NOBR>Ga 2:20</NOBR>	I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
<NOBR></NOBR>	I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. This is a strong indiction against law. If righteousness come by law, Christ died in vain! If you go back to law, you do despite to the Spirit of GRACE.

Maybe you should pray for God to OPEN the Book of Galatians to you!

From:

Freeborn22

Sent: 10/13/2005 9:38 PM

Galatians 3

<NOBR>Ga 3:1</NOBR>	O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
<NOBR>Ga 3:2</NOBR>	This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
<NOBR>Ga 3:3</NOBR>	Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
<NOBR>Ga 3:4</NOBR>	Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
<NOBR>Ga 3:5</NOBR>	He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
<NOBR>Ga 3:6</NOBR>	Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
<NOBR>Ga 3:7</NOBR>	Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
<NOBR>Ga 3:8</NOBR>	And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
<NOBR>Ga 3:9</NOBR>	So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
<NOBR>Ga 3:10</NOBR>	For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
<NOBR>Ga 3:11</NOBR>	But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
<NOBR>Ga 3:12</NOBR>	And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
<NOBR>Ga 3:13</NOBR>	Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
<NOBR>Ga 3:14</NOBR>	That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
<NOBR>Ga 3:15</NOBR>	Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
<NOBR>Ga 3:16</NOBR>	Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
<NOBR>Ga 3:17</NOBR>	And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
<NOBR>Ga 3:18</NOBR>	For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
<NOBR>Ga 3:19</NOBR>	Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
<NOBR>Ga 3:20</NOBR>	Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
<NOBR>Ga 3:21</NOBR>	Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
<NOBR>Ga 3:22</NOBR>	But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
<NOBR>Ga 3:23</NOBR>	But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
<NOBR>Ga 3:24</NOBR>	Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
<NOBR>Ga 3:25</NOBR>	But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Now I know this is a lot of Scripture for one post. But so what? Most people never read the Word any other way. I cannot prove the truth without the Written Word. There is no other proof of truth.

Those who teach any other way are not God's true ministers.

Now if you call me wrong for denying the Law for today, then you surely must condemn Paul along with me; for I am only quoting Paul here. Surely, we can trust Paul. If not then, who?

Here, Paul clearly states that if we are under the law, we are not in faith. You cannot have law and faith, for the law is not of faith. You cannot please God by law. Only in FAITH do we please and serve God.

No one will ever be justified by keeping laws. It is a bondage Jesus DELIVERED us from. This is the redeemption. Have you been redeemed? If you are still under law, you have not been redeemed.

Paul said it was to be bewitched to go back to law. He said being under the law was a CURSE! Are you under a curse? You are if you think you must still keep law.

Paul said the law was ADDED because of transgressions. He said if you are still under the law, you have not come to Christ. The law was only added until Jesus came and delivered us from it.

Now, who does not know the true God?

From:

Freeborn22

Sent: 10/13/2005 9:39 PM

NOBR>Ga 4:3

Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Ga 4:4

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Ga 4:5

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

<NOBR>Ga 4:9</NOBR>	But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
<NOBR>Ga 4:10</NOBR>	Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
<NOBR>Ga 4:11</NOBR>	I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Was not the days, months, and times and years a thing under the LAW? Sure it was. Show me these things set up in the NT. It is NOT there. Does not this clearly call these things of law BONDAGE? Sure it does.

Did Not Paul say here that his labour to bring them to Christ was in VAIN because of their returning to THE BONDAGE OF LAW? Study the word.

<NOBR>Ga 4:21</NOBR>	Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
<NOBR>Ga 4:22</NOBR>	For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
<NOBR>Ga 4:23</NOBR>	But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
<NOBR>Ga 4:24</NOBR>	Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
<NOBR>Ga 4:25</NOBR>	For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
<NOBR>Ga 4:26</NOBR>	But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
<NOBR>Ga 4:27</NOBR>	For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
<NOBR>Ga 4:28</NOBR>	Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
<NOBR>Ga 4:29</NOBR>	But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
<NOBR>Ga 4:30</NOBR>	Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
<NOBR>Ga 4:31</NOBR>	So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

This bondwoman and her son are those serving under law.

Maybe you will read some other Books of the Word if I paste them here for you. Maybe you can see that you have not heard the true Word taught before.

Now take the time to carefully read the above verses. Paul is clearly saying those who went back under that law, was in the bondage, and that this bondage is the bond child [the Jerusalem which now is; the natural Jews and their law]

is this bond child which WAS CAST OUT NOT TO BE HEIR WITH THE FREE SONS OF GOD, THOSE IN GRACE WHO HAVE CAST OUT THAT LAW. WE SERVE GOD BY LOVE, WHICH IS HIS ONLY ACCEPTED WAY.

Under LOVE, we do NOT commit adultery. Those still under law will do it and pretend they do not do it.

Under Love, we do not steal. Those under law will. See, Love fulfills the righteousness of the law, but not by law, we do it by LOVE.

From:

Freeborn22

Sent: 10/13/2005 9:41 PM

NOBR>Ga 5:11</NOBR>	And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
<NOBR>Ga 5:12</NOBR>	I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
<NOBR>Ga 5:13</NOBR>	For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
<NOBR>Ga 5:14</NOBR>	For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
<NOBR>Ga 5:15</NOBR>	But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
<NOBR>Ga 5:16</NOBR>	This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
<NOBR>Ga 5:17</NOBR>	For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
<NOBR>Ga 5:18</NOBR>	But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

From:

Freeborn22

Sent: 10/13/2005 9:42 PM

NOBR>Ga 5:1</NOBR>	Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
<NOBR>Ga 5:2</NOBR>	Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
<NOBR>Ga 5:3</NOBR>	For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
<NOBR>Ga 5:4</NOBR>	Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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