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From: Robert Bruce Baird  (Original Message)Sent: 10/31/2006 8:18 AM
 
 
 
 

This biography was prepared by people who care about the future of life on earth.

 “Robert Bruce Baird has the spirit and courage to inquire further and probe deeper than most are willing to go. To a reader with an open mind, the ability to learn from this man is only limited by one’s ability to explore new/old concepts from the past into the future. ‘If the world were aware of the motives behind them, we would often be ashamed of our finest actions�? The truth will out, and all life will be better for it.�?- Tim Cummins; Ut., USA

“You shine the light upon the road of knowledge and enlightenment though some choose to shut their eyes and stumble blindly throughout a world of darkness and deception.�?- Gary C. Morris; WV., USA.

“Our spirit will not be broken�?Balance will come. You respect women and it is very clear in your words and your deeds.�?- Quiet Truth Seeker, USA.

“We’re buried by misinformation and lies - thank you for directing me to an answer�?. before my mind could make sense of the question.�?- Laura Linklater; B.C., Can.

“His books are very thought provoking, and they challenge a lot of conservative belief systems. In my humble opinion, from what I have learned about this man, I think his perspectives are not only highly intuitive, but based upon a knowledge base, that is quite diverse and rather intellectual in nature.�?- Keegan Reid.

“Many of us are on a path of personal enlightenment contributing in our own way to make the world a better place. Robert Bruce Baird has dedicated his life with over eighty books, hundreds of free articles and a one million word encyclopedia, to living every moment rising to the challenge of this wisdom from the Kybalion�?: - Sandra Repash; Pa., USA.

“The possession of Knowledge, unless accompanied by a manifestation and expression in Action, is like the hoarding of precious metals -a vain and foolish thing. Knowledge, like wealth, is intended for Use. The Law of Use is Universal, and he who violates it suffers by reason of his conflict with natural forces.�?- The Kybalion.

 

Robert Bruce Baird is a scholar, alchemist, and activist for ecumenical brotherhood with an esoteric insight and experience of a unique nature. He was raised in the ideal intellectual environment for learning, and his love of knowledge has taken him on a life long journey that spans and examines every major world discipline, doctrine, religion and philosophy. He inspires his readers to seek out the truth behind the façade; from philosophy to politics, religions to relics, governments to gurus, physics to phenomenon, medicine to mind control, secret societies to the occult, he dispels the myths and lies of ‘MIS’story we have been taught to believe throughout history by those interested in gaining power, money and control.

“At a young age growing up with a father who had read the total complement of books in a library as a teenager and older brothers who had read Moby Dick by grade two, I learned to love learning . After three years of accounting and having been an officer in the Militia which I joined a year before I should have (my only real lie in life), I started my own business with my brother John and we traveled all over the States. I learned a great deal from the many people I met and a lot of learning occurred. We promoted cities in a unique advertising poster and hired my engineer oldest brother. At the age of about 30 I was a millionaire and wrote College Equivalency tests to bypass a BA and got into the best business university through a very exclusive program that required getting over 75%-ile in the Princeton GMAT, among other things.�?

“All sciences come to bear in my work but all the facts are not known despite what some people want to believe. In the last decade, I have taken it upon myself to create a whole new history of man’s cultural development which shows Pythagoras was actually not the first sage or alchemist. That kind of fiction is the work of people who sought to claim all advancement was of their own making as they developed Empires and refined various means of enslaving people. History is largely propaganda. Many scholars know that and it still goes on today; but the reasons for this social engineering and priestly manipulation or economic intrigues are known by few, if any. The way people are naively attracted to simple or ‘easy answers�?rather than the work of DOing or study is at the root of most social problems.�?/FONT>

“People really have a hard time believing I do what I do BY CHOICE. And that is understandable - because FEW people actually DO what they say they believe. About ten years ago - I decided I would not play ball in the material world anymore and then began to fight the system. For the past six years I have been writing about a book every six weeks. Most people can't imagine how much it means to create and give your every loving fiber in your soul. Some say I am a fool. It is true! One of my lifelong favorite sayings is 'A fool thinks he is a wise man...'. I don't really care if you think I am a fool - try thinking for yourself - don't follow me - it is hard work - but I love it.�?- Robert Bruce Baird; Toronto, Ontario ~ October 31, 2006.

 

Robert Bruce Baird can be contacted for questions or comments at [email protected].

 

 

“Somewhere in between the two extremes is where great truths lie and somewhere at either end of the spectrum is where lies appear to be true.�?�?Robert Bruce Baird

 

 



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From: MSN NicknameEerie7Sent: 10/31/2006 5:10 PM
 
What a fitting tribute to your character!
I applaud your dedication and service to the world Robert!
We are proud to have you as a member of DSC!
Keep on shining...
Namaste...    ~eerie
 

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From: Robert Bruce BairdSent: 11/4/2006 6:23 PM
Here is an example of a person taking my work and learning.
 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameRubyJoon</NOBR> Sent: 04/11/2006 10:27 AM
Telepathy is involved in the language of Magik - and the spiritual and ritual language of Shamans.
 
I found this paper today while searching the net for information about telepathy.  I didn't have adequate time to research it, but I attempted to integrate three of your articles (RBB) in this thread with the premise of the language of magik in this paper.  In order for the language of magik to work, telepathy must be one of the active components of the language.  (I didn't add anything from the language of Shamans today).  I love this paper - what do you think?
 
 
RBB's articles:
 
Animus Mundi:
 
 
CONstructs:  Hallucination, Hypnosis and the Hexam Heads:
 
 
And I added this article (related to the above knowledge) that outlines a few of the reasons behind how and why it has been CONcealed:
 
 

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From: Robert Bruce BairdSent: 11/13/2006 7:11 AM
As predicted in my work.
 

Spy Pics Reveal Ancient Settlements (Syria - 130,000 YA)
Couier Mail ^ | 8-3-2006

Posted on 08/03/2006 5:49:23 PM PDT by blam

Spy pics reveal ancient settlements

August 03, 2006 06:51pm

AUSTRALIAN researchers studying declassified spy satellite images have found widespread remains of ancient human settlements dating back 130,000 years in Syria.

The photographs were taken by United States military surveillance satellites operating under the CIA and defence-led Corona program in the late 1960s. The team of researchers travelled to the Euphrates River Valley in April and June and searched sites they had painstakingly identified using the images, which were only declassified in the late 1990s.

Group leader Mandy Mottram, a PhD student at the Australian National University's School of Archaeology and Anthropology, said the evidence of human life found in the area included a hilltop Byzantine basilica, a 24 hectare fortified town dating to the Early Bronze Age, Early Islamic pottery factories and a hilltop complex of megalithic tombs.

Ms Mottram said the researchers' trained eyes could spot small changes in the landscape, such as a different soil colour, that could indicate a former human settlement.

The images are particularly valuable because they show the landscape prior to its present rapid agricultural development.

"It's the guide for us to go out and have a look in that specific area," she said.

"It's been actually really brilliantly helpful for us. We've had a really, really high strike rate, I would say about 95 per cent."

Some of the artefacts found could dramatically change the way historians think of the area's early inhabitants, Ms Mottram said.

For example, contrary to a common belief that rural civilisations were experiencing economic and social decline from the mid-6th century, the team found evidence of widespread prosperity including many settlements and large quantities of pottery.

The researchers hope to establish the first complete record of human occupation in the area, beginning with the arrival from Africa of early human groups up to one million years ago.

They have already found tools from the Middle Palaeolithic period that are between 130,000 and 40,000 years old, and could have been made by either Neanderthals or early modern humans, as well as a few Acheulian tools that could date back several hundred thousand years.

Ms Mottram said the group was still analysing images of the items and structures they found and hoped to return to Syria next April if they secured funding.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 130000; ANCIENTS; ARCHAEOLOGY; GODSGRAVESGLYPHS; PICS; REVEAL; SETTLEMENTS; SPY; SYRIA; YA; YOUNGEARTHCULTISTS

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From: Robert Bruce BairdSent: 11/13/2006 7:29 AM
I am called an alchemist by top Rosicrucians. It is good to see a little awareness seeping in to academia even though they are far from knowing what they are talking about.
 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameRavenWynter1</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 12/11/2006 4:57 PM

 

Transforming the Alchemists

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
 
 

PHILADELPHIA �?Historians of science are taking a new and lively interest in alchemy, the often mystical investigation into the hidden mysteries of nature that reached its heyday in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries and has been an embarrassment to modern scientists ever since.

There was no place in the annals of empirical science, beginning mainly in the 18th century, for the occult practices of obsessed dreamers who sought most famously and impossibly to transform base metals into pure gold. So alchemy fell into disrepute.

But in the revival of scholarship on the field, historians are finding reasons to give at least some alchemists their due. Even though they were secretive and self-deluded and their practices closer to magic than modern scientific methods, historians say, alchemists contributed to the emergence of modern chemistry as a science and an agent of commerce.

"Experimentalism was one of alchemy’s hallmarks," said Lawrence M. Principe, a historian of science at Johns Hopkins University and a trained chemist. "You have to get your hands dirty, and in this way alchemists forged some early ideas about matter."

Bent over boiling crucibles in their shadowy laboratories, squeezing bellows before transformative flames and poring over obscure formulas, some alchemists stumbled on techniques and reactions of great value to later chemists. It was experimentation by trial and error, historians say, but it led to new chemicals and healing elixirs and laid the foundations of procedures like separating and refining, distilling and fermenting.

"What do chemists do? They like to make stuff," Dr. Principe said. "Most chemists are interested not so much in theory as in making substances with particular properties. The emphasis on products was the same with some alchemists in the 17th century."

Pamela H. Smith, a history professor at Columbia, said alchemy "was the matter theory of its day" and was "incredibly multilayered and therefore a powerful way of viewing nature."

Yet on the whole, historians say, the widespread practice of alchemy impeded the rise of modern chemistry. While physics and astronomy marched slowly but inexorably from Galileo to Kepler to Newton and the Scientific Revolution, chemistry slumbered under alchemy’s influence through what historians call its "postponed scientific revolution."

The new research and revised interpretations concerning the role of alchemy in the history of chemistry as well as pharmacology and medicine were discussed at a three-day conference late last month at the Chemical Heritage Foundation in Philadelphia. The meeting, attended by more than 80 scientists and historians, was organized by Dr. Principe, who said, "Only in the last 15 or 20 years have we learned how crucial alchemy was to the emergence of modern science."

No one at the meeting tried to turn lead into gold. But the historians conjured up quite a lode of pyrite, fool’s gold, in the colorful characters they had found buried in previously neglected archives.

A few practicing alchemists, it seems, may have been certifiably mad �?probably, like mad hatters, from sniffing the mercury they worked with.

One notable alchemist of the 16th century, a Swiss named Paracelsus, was not mad, but cantankerous and iconoclastic. "He was equal parts metallurgist, pharmacist, physician and crackpot," Dr. Principe said.

Historians have found that Paracelsus made some advances in the detection of disorders by analyzing urine and claimed marvelous cures through alchemy.

In his chemical cosmology, he saw the world as a great distillation vessel and its changes as parallel to the operations carried out in a laboratory. But he recorded his material and spiritual ideas in the deliberately opaque writing typical of many alchemists, who expressed themselves in codes, symbols and emblems to conceal their findings from the uninitiated.

From his study, Dane Thor Daniel of Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio, concluded that Paracelsus’s unwavering objective was to find a Christian alternative to pagan natural philosophy �?science.

Other alchemists were outright charlatans or fools, ridiculed in contemporary art and literature. On display in a gallery at the conference hall were several 17th-century paintings by Flemish and Dutch artists, who depicted alchemists toiling in the disorder of dark workshops and the poverty of futile quests. The paintings were said to be popular among Dutch burghers as a caution to anyone contemplating a life in alchemy instead of steady trade.

But many an alchemist drew support from royal courts where visions of newfound wealth and power danced in crowned heads. It was not always a happy alliance.

In 1601, Hans Heinrich Nüschler signed a contract with his patron, Duke Friedrich of Württemberg in Stuttgart, to demonstrate his process for extracting a substantial amount of gold from a sample of silver. The duke, keen on mining technology, promised a generous reward. Nüschler agreed to conduct the experiments at his own expense.

After several months of failure and mounting debt, the desperate alchemist resorted to fraud. He asked his brother to help by surreptitiously adding gold to the alchemical sample. His ploy exposed, Nüschler was tried, convicted and hanged.

"Only a handful of alchemists actually ended their careers on the gallows," said Tara E. Nummedal, a historian at Brown. "But this underscored that alchemy was very serious business in the Holy Roman Empire."

In her report, Dr. Nummedal concluded that the relationships of patrons and alchemists showed that "alchemy was a direct engagement with the political, economic, religious and intellectual realities of the early modern world."

At the turn of the 17th century, King Henry IV of France surrounded himself with alchemists who sought to resurrect plants from their ashes and experimented with ways to extend the monarch’s life. Even the diplomats had orders to seek out the cryptic methods of alchemists in other countries.

An alchemist in the court of a German prince scored a profitable success quite by accident. Looking for materials for creating precious metals, Johann Friedrich Böttger analyzed a "white earth" that duplicated the ingredients for imported Chinese porcelain. The discovery was the beginning of the Dresden china industry.

Even geniuses of the first order, like Isaac Newton, found alchemy irresistible. It was an accepted method of seeking knowledge �?or confirmation of received truth �?in early modern history.

Newton, whose laws of gravity and optics ushered in modern physics, also delved into alchemy with relentless energy. His notebooks contain thousands of pages on alchemic thoughts and experiments over 30 years.

William R. Newman, a professor of the history and philosophy of science at Indiana University, said many manuscripts had not received the scrutiny they deserved. He reported on a text in the Smithsonian Institution that he called "an overlooked gem."

In these notebook entries, Newton cited the ideas of German alchemists for imitating the processes by which metals were generated in nature, deep inside the earth. These involved the familiar alchemical theory of metallic generation through interactions of sulfur and mercury.

But Newton, expanding on the theory, wrote: "These two spirits above all wander over the earth and bestow life on animals and vegetables. And they makes stones, salts and so forth."

As Dr. Newman noted, "Thus we have passed from a theory of mere metallic generation to one that is intended to explain the totality of life on earth, as well as the production of all mineral materials, not just metallic ones."

In this sense, Dr. Newman continued, Newton’s repeated experiments for the rest of his life were aimed at fulfilling the words of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes, considered the founding text of alchemy in ancient Egypt. Newton expected to achieve what the tablet said was the una res, "the one thing" by which "the world was created" and with which one could "perform miracles."

So it seems that Newton was no ordinary alchemist interested in making gold. He apparently aspired to a theory of alchemy more comprehensive than even his laws of gravity. But it could be said, in a paraphrase of Newton’s famous expression of modesty, that the giants on whose shoulders he stood in this endeavor did not measure up to his antecedents in physics and astronomy.

Newton’s alchemical bent was not out of character, Dr. Smith of Columbia said. "He was drawn to the occult," she said. "Gravity for him was an occult force, and so was alchemy as an explanation of how things transform into other things."

The British chemist Robert Boyle, a Newton contemporary, also had a foot on each side of the alchemy-modern science divide. He dabbled for years in an alchemical obsession, the search for the philosopher’s stone �?the long-sought agent for transmuting lead to gold and unlocking other material and spiritual secrets. The stone was the unified theory of everything in that time.

Boyle wrote enviously in 1680 that "there exists conceal’d in the world" a group of chemists "of a much higher order able to transmute baser Metalls into perfect ones."

At the same time, Boyle hurled harsh criticism at alchemists, particularly Paracelsians and the obscurity of their language and concepts. His purpose, he wrote, was to draw "the Chymists Doctrine out of their Dark and Smoakie Laboratories into open light" and to engage in "better Experiments and Arguments."

Citing Boyle’s "swinging critique" and even earlier attacks on alchemical practices, Stephen Clucas, a University of London historian, raised questions that he said require deeper research by historians: Why did a "scientific revolution" in experimental chemistry not occur earlier in the 17th century? Why was a clear separation of alchemy and exact chemistry delayed until the 18th century?

Bruce T. Moran, a historian at the University of Nevada at Reno and the University College London, said it was not all that unreasonable at the time to be attracted to alchemy. "For a variety of practical and intellectual reasons," Professor Moran said, "the idea of transforming one thing into another was to be expected."

In everyday life, grapes were turned to wine and wheat to bread. A sour green apple grew into a sweet red one. It was in the nature of things to change, even metals. Miners and refiners already knew that lead ore almost always contains some silver, and silver ore almost always contains some gold. This implied that the metals changed one into the other over time.

In the booklet "Transmutations: Alchemy in Art," written with Lloyd DeWitt, an art historian, Dr. Principe noted that in 1600, chemists knew of just seven metals �?gold, silver, iron, copper, tin, lead and mercury. (Since then scientists have discovered another 60.) The original seven known metals had properties in common. They were shiny and, except for the liquid mercury, could be hammered, shaped and cast.

"The commonality of properties implied to early thinkers a commonality of composition," Dr. Principe wrote., "And thus it was theorized that all the metals were composed of the same essential ingredients in different proportions and degrees of purity."

"Even if in the modern view alchemy is all nonsense or very spiritual," Dr. Moran said, "many people drawn to it for whatever reasons were actually creating very useful, practical chemistry and bringing to it an artisan know-how."

The conference on the history of alchemy opened with a program of chamber music called "The Philosophers�?Tone." The scholars delighted in Handel’s transmutation of Ben Jonson’s "The Alchemist" into pure gold. Over coffee between sessions, they pondered new directions of research and topics for dissertations. They said, for example, that more attention should be paid to alchemy’s role in the history of medicine.

They also remarked, somewhat conspiratorially, over parallels between the misguided certainties and self-delusion of alchemy and today’s political and religious attacks on modern science. Of Boyle’s efforts to replicate experiments from alchemical writings, Joseph E. Early, a retired Georgetown University professor who studies the philosophy of chemistry, said, "He couldn’t do it any more than we could find the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."

Then the scholars departed Philadelphia, leaving the city’s lead-to-gold ratio unchanged.

 
 
 
 
 

I am not the Author of the proceeding document all Known Authors and Sources have been Given Due and Proper Credit, I did however design this page and ask therefor that it be forwarded in its entirity with no chages made to it WhatSoEver and that all Sources and credits remain as they are....Raven

 

 


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