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ASTROLOGY : Sam Kinison
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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGem  (Original Message)Sent: 4/18/2008 2:34 PM
Just saw something recently that was discussing Pluto to Mercury contacts and they talked about the comedian sam kinison

Sam Kinison (December 8th, 1953; Pluto square Mercury)

One needs to merely summon the guttural roar of deceased comedian Kinison’s peculiar style to get a sense of Pluto inflecting the archetype of Mercury. Known for both a raw, in-your-face brand of comedy and for monstrous rasping, yelling, and bellowing, Kinison represents a particular expression of the Pluto-Mercury interface. With Kinison, we observe how Mercury as a mouthpiece can serve to express the primal, instinctual, and passionate archetype of Pluto. That is, Mercury allows one a sense of understanding how the realm of Pluto manifests itself through the conduit of verbal and vocal expression. Kinison allows one to see how an unrefined, unrestrained Pluto can convey its energy through the conduit of voice, thoughts, and ideas.

I've never heard of this comedian up until now ,just watched a couple of videos on youtube. Its interesting because I have this palanetary combination aswell, I found his humour pretty funny and at times I could really relate to it.The only thing I wasnt as keen on was the shouting!



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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 3:49 AM
NO - it's a much stranger story then that . No laughing then, he was "arguing" with his higher self.
 
I'll find it for you.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 4:11 AM
Whenever I want to find something on this site, it's like a needle in a haystack. I'm not too organized I guess.
 
Anyway:  (his brother wrote a book here):
 
 
 
 
Robin Williams called him "a comedy combination of Chuck Yeager and Evel Knievel." Until his death at 38, former preacher Sam Kinison was one of America's foulest and funniest stand-ups, as the many quotes in Brother Sam: The Short Spectacular Life of Sam Kinison demonstrate. Fierce comedy makes enemies, and Kinison's enemies made strange bedfellows: the religious right loathed his blasphemy, and militant gays sent death threats and reportedly sprayed his audience with acid.
 
He battled friend Howard Stern and foe Whoopi Goldberg, and his often stormy relationship with Jessica Hahn (no stranger to ex-preachers) led to more tensions than friendship. Brother and manager Bill (with Steve Delsohn) candidly details Sam's life of uncontrolled booze and drugs (including the autopsy traces of marijuana, codeine, Valium, Xanax, and cocaine), fast money, women (strippers, wives, and others), and a career that lurched like a rocket piloted by a drunk. No one can explain genius, but Bill provides pungent insight into his enigmatic, infuriating, and �?above all �?funny brother

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 4:15 AM

THE CAUSTIC COMIC LOST HIS LIFE IN A HEAD-ON COLLISION FIVE YEARS AGO

(this was written long ago).(my note)

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,287319,00.html

 

 

Sam Kinison died in the desert, talking to God. The high-decibel comic and former Pentecostal preacher was driving U.S. Highway 95 to a sold-out run in Laughlin, Nev., on the evening of April 10, 1992, when his Trans-Am collided head-on with a pickup truck. After the impact, as the other driver, a 17-year-old boy, reportedly exclaimed, ''Look at my truck!

 

'' Kinison stumbled from his car and collapsed, asking God why he had to die, why now. ''Okay,'' he finally whispered. ''Okay...okay.'' 

 

  Note: (no one else on the scene could see WHO he was communicating with or arguing with in his vision)...they only saw him finally stop arguing, say "Okay, Okay", and then he lied down and died.) There were at least 3 witnesses , his manager, his new wife, and others.

 

The calm acceptance was literally a far cry from the howl of outrage Kinison, 38, had made his onstage trademark. His fury thrust itself up out of his past as the outcast, twice-divorced son of two evangelical preachers in Peoria, Ill., driving him from the ministry he had served for six years onto the stage to rant about women, the homeless, and, yes, televangelists. ''The ministry's a hard thing to live up to,'' he would later say. ''It was probably why I got into the vulgarity so much, because it was just such a trip to be able to live it out.''

So he lived it out hard and fast, rocketing from his national debut on the 1985 Young Comedians HBO special to two gold albums, spots on late-night TV, and concert appearances that paid up to $50,000 per. But given his gonzo gluttony for cocaine, Kinison played chicken with his own success. He blew off what would have been his first vehicle, the never-filmed comedy Atuk. Lackluster stage gigs resulted from his drug-induced stupor; he had to revive himself with backstage oxygen tanks. In 1990, as his third album languished, both MTV and HBO backed away from him.

By April 1992, though, Kinison claimed to have cut back on his alcohol and drug use. He had a two-picture deal cooking with New Line Cinema and a variety show in the works with Fox. And he had just married Malika Souiri, 27, who was in the passenger seat during the crash. (She suffered a concussion.)

Like Elvis, to whom he compared himself, Kinison remained a brand name after his death. Comedians still talk about how he ''pushed the envelope.'' ''Sam was a forerunner of Howard Stern's kind of raunch humor,'' says his friend, comic Richard Belzer. ''If he hadn't gotten killed, he'd be huge now.''

Meanwhile, the boy who ushered Sam Kinison back to God was charged with vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence and sentenced to 300 hours of community service and a year's probation; he was released to the custody of his parents.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 4:19 AM
Here is another really GOOD article:
 
 
and:
 

Here’s the LA Times story:

“He said, ‘I don’t want to die, I don’t want to die,’�?recounted his best friend, Carl LaBove, who held Kinison’s bleeding head in his hands.

Kinison paused, as if listening to a voice that couldn’t be heard, LaBove said.

�?FONT size=4>But why?�?asked Kinison, a former Pentecostal preacher. It sounded, LaBove said, as if “he was having a conversation, talking to somebody else. He was talking upstairs. Then I heard him go, ‘OK, OK, OK.”The last “OK�?was so soft and at peace�?whatever voice was talking to him gave him the right answer, and he just relaxed with it. He said it so sweet, like he was talking to someone he loved.�?/FONT>


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 4:22 AM
My mom was one of the wisest people I ever had the pleasure of knowing, (quite honestly), a Sagittarius Sun, not unlike the Dalai Lama himself, always laughing, joking herself, but with a deep resevoir of "knowing"
 
She always told me, "When your number is up, it's up!"
 
She never believed that people had any reason to fear death, and believed as she lived.
 
But she clearly believed we each have a "number" (so to speak), in otherwords, and when it's ready to go, as Kinison found out,
"it's up".

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 4/19/2008 3:00 PM
wow,
 
bet you are thinking the same as me right? what did the voice say to him!?

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 6:06 PM

Here’s the LA Times story:

“He said, ‘I don’t want to die, I don’t want to die,’�?recounted his best friend, Carl LaBove, who held Kinison’s bleeding head in his hands.

Kinison paused, as if listening to a voice that couldn’t be heard, LaBove said.

�?FONT size=4>But why?�?asked Kinison, a former Pentecostal preacher. It sounded, LaBove  (his manager), said, as if “he was having a conversation, talking to somebody else.

 

He was talking upstairs. Then I heard him go, ‘OK, OK, OK.”The last “OK�?was so soft and at peace�?whatever voice was talking to him gave him the right answer, and he just relaxed with it. He said it so sweet, like he was talking to someone he loved.�?/FONT>

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(note: since all of life occurs within the self, ) only Sam Kinison could hear the argument, that his higher self- gave him towards "giving up the ghost", in which, as his manager said, "he seemed ok with whatever was said to him" that he stopped arguing...)and then died.

I don't think it's all that strange however, because my mother just priot to her death, likewise, saw many who "came for her"...just before she herself, "gave up the ghost".

I told her, "Go with them Mom; next time they come",and she did.

  I believe our higher self, is ALWAYS with us, we just don't normally tune in to it, other then in dreams or near death.

(but that's just, IMO)

 


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 6:15 PM
 
this person's blog raises some very good questions about this event:
 
Read the entire thing here, I'll post a smaller extract of it:
 
 
Kinison's "Hallucination" Would Have Been dysfunctional

If Mr. Kinison was only experiencing a hallucination, which allowed him to handle the extreme situation which he found himself in, then why did it take the form of a conversation in which Mr. Kinison was being informed that he was going to die? Such a conversation hallucination would seem only to add to Mr. Kinison's stress at precisely the moment he would need to be calmed. Why didn't the hallucination tell Mr. Kinison that he was going to live? If near death experiences are only hallucinations meant to help people get through a stressful situation it appears to have taken a rather odd form in the case of Mr. Kinison.
 
Explanation - Interface With A Second Sentient Entity

Was it just a part of himself, or was Sam interacting with an another sentient entity?

If Mr. Kinison was conversing with another sentient entity what type of entity could interact with a dying man, seemingly from within his own mind?

MultiVerse Trans Dimensional Consciousness Symbiosis

If the electro chemical computer which underpins human consciousness were in some way connected to another sentience outside the confines of the human body this might explain the death accompanying experience. Some Multiverse theories (i.e., other world theories) state that every possible time line which is possible will exist, and that each time line is yoked to the other through entanglement.

Transdimensional entanglement would have allowed the brain to evolve into a electro chemical quantum computer, capable of "feeling out" every possible result of any calculation at incredible speeds, but due to causality restrictions only the subconscious mind is able to interface directly with the multitude of dimensions. The conscious mind is provided with only a fraction of the final product of any such calculation since the conscious mind is capable of collapsing wave forms.

In alternate timelines Sam Kinison is still alive because he wore his seat belt. Thus it is possible that Sam Kinison as he approached his death in this time line was speaking to his own subconscious in another time line through the process of entanglement. The restriction on passing "information" only applies in cases in which "information" would create a paradox. In dream states, or altered states such as the near death, and death accompanying experience the conscious mind takes a back seat to the subconscious mind. The subconscious watches, but mostly in a passive sense, and therefore can not disturb a timeline through a transtemporal paradox.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 6:23 PM
The Revealing Death of Sam Kinison

It was about 8:30 P.M. Friday night on April 10, 1992, when comedian Sam Kinison was killed in a head on collision with a pickup truck. Kinison had just been married a week before and was travelling from Los Angeles with his newlywed wife, Malika, to a sold out performance in Laughlin, Nevada.

Kinison was completely sober, and drug free at that point in his life, but the teenagers barreling down the wrong side of the highway that night were smashed out of their minds.

Sam had seen the truck coming, and slowed his Trans Am down to just 15 miles per hour, but he wasn't wearing his seat belt. At impact he was thrown into the windshield, and suffered multiple traumatic injuries.

In the first moments after impact Kinison seemed as if he were going to make it, but within minutes he appeared to know he was about to die.

Witnesses stated that Kinison appeared to be holding a conversation in which he stated, "I don't want to die. I don't want to die."

As the conversation continued Sam said, "But why?"

And finally, Kinison stated, "Okay, Okay, Okay".

The last "Okay" was stated in a very gentle and loving manner, as if he were talking with someone he knew, and loved.

Efforts to resuscitate him failed. He was just 38 years old.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 4/19/2008 6:38 PM
what would be really interesting would be to see where he had the planet uranus? I think this planet could be quite responsible for his personality aswell,unpredictability? opinionated? these are both charachteristics of uranus/aquarius.
 
I beleive from what I have been reading on near death experiences he did experience something soley through his eyes.
Not sure if you've read into the pineal gland Deb? Its said to be the place where soul enters the body ,when people have got in touch with this part of their mind through shamens they frequently see other-worldly being and higher dimensional beings.
It is also directly stimulated at the creation and end of life.
 
also that theory on multiple universes definatly seems interesting  

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/19/2008 8:40 PM
Kinison's MC sounds exactly like him, when we realize that the 19th degree of Scorpio, is called, the evil degree, only because it denotes a "Warring within - between the Supreme Will and the Ego"
 
It sounds exactly like his life and death until  his death moment.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 4/19/2008 11:21 PM
didnt think there was a recorded time of birth!
so the mercury square pluto is between the 8th (pluto) and the 11th (mercury).
pluto in the 8th is quite a strong place for it,or so I have heard,its the natural house for the planet.uranus close to that cancer descendant,chiron conjunction the ascendant too!
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/20/2008 1:17 AM
I think the Uranus placement for him, on the D/C pretty much mimics well, his strange way with people and his personal relationships.  If  we study the links we see he was into many difficult relationships, because of his wierd ways.,......(Uranian?) isolating and difficult there.
 
That's why it's said, that he was "just now" at 38 starting to settle down a bit, with this new bride when he died.
 
But I hear lots of stories like this too; when for whatever reason, (probably the soul calls us back after the lessons we come to learn are learned) and this is probably what happened, IMO, to him.
 
at 38.

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