Little Emma was desired (Cancer cusp 9th house)Leo Cusp, wanted, and very much a focal point of her parents love. (Leo 9th house cusp)....making them very proud.

 

There is a Sextile (60 degrees) from Mars (father or male figure),even a brother, to the conception cusp.,This then is a positive angle which suggests much activity concerning the conception itself.

 

However, there is also a Chiron placement, which is Square the Conception cusp.  The inner wound which Chiron respresents then, is felt by either the mom or the dad, and the child will inherit, (but again, each soul is THEIR OWN fate, their own selves, not a recreation of us, nor are they a "clone" of our thoughts, feelings, traits, etc.

 

There is only a kind of "vibrational synastry" thing going on, which attracts the souls to each other..... so there is never a "Fault", per se, more a resonance of spiritual vibrations going on.

 

The M/C is the time mother becomes aware of the fetus growing inside. Here we have the Moon itself, (mother), with this awareness. We look to the angles or aspects the Moon makes next.

With Pluto square Moon, then then, is the major aspect being made........did mother at time of knowledge of the pregnancy, have a separation from dad? Or was the knowledge then of a transforming variety which created a neccessary change in both or one or the other?

 

The man who does the original Tad Mann readings quite competently for the most part, also, is not a very nice person that I can see or had dealings with, so I'd feel very hesitant to recommend him here. (he frequents H/Chat site).......but he would say, (no doubt), that Tad Mann always says, Pluto represents some kind of Separation............and he says this with certainty.

 

That I can understand, I've seen this myself.,in the book.

 

But I would NOT agree, as I've mentioned elsewhere, that Scorpio, respresents Separation, as this guy Andy, insists. I know for a FACT that Scorpio, rising (my husband's birth), and my middle daughter's birth (Scorpio rising in both charts)

and in neither case was there ANY such separation at all but both children were very much wanted by their fathers and the fathers were present in both births (my husband's and my own middle daughter, Jennifer's)/

So, there is no reasoning with "Andy", therefore, I'm hesistant to recommend him, although he is very very good at the Tad Mann readings, and I like to listen to his interpretations to learn myself, a little more for he has been doing them quite proficiently  himself.

 

Now, Emma has a Scorpio, (at birth)........rising.

 

Again, this guy Andy, would say, "a Separation occurred" dad was not present. But I just told you that this is NOT a given, but I think a mistake on his part of the inference that Mann gives about Pluto (Scorpio is NOT Pluto then.)

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, Chiron is here in 11th, and in the 0deg.Scorpio, just entering the 12th house sign itself.

It's not a Cardinal sign, so no need for alarm, as it isn't "critical" inner wounds in any regard, but something to be aware of as each soul has something they are working on.

She quite likely, will attempt to "hide" then, if we consider Chiron in the 12th instead of the 11th. (11th would be more open to sharing their feelings, their hurt or pain), 12th house be more inclined to hide it.,from others.

 

 

The Chiron placement then, in her chart, and the square it makes to the Conception, I feel may say, her conception was by and large a "healing" for someone. (herself, you or him)

 

I may be wrong too..........I'm still trying to learn myself, these readings.

 

Now, here is where it gets interesting at the birth moment.

 

 

Emma:

2nd House or Father (Sun) appears square to Saturn.

2nd house represents the ages 7mos.to18months)

Saturn is usually seen likewise as father, as Saturn is seen as the authority figure symbolically in our lives. Father then "registers" as they say in this 2nd house,of "Values"

 

Sun in Capricorn should say that dad is a disciplined type of person, perhaps older in demeanor, (maybe stuffy?), lol.

I'm a Sun in Capricorn, and my father was a Virgo Sun, but my own Sun, as Emma's ; is responsible for her own choice, via reincarnational lives lived, and this time around, (see the Cayce posts on the Astrology board)......suggests one who is taking upon herself, lessons to do with "time"....and time learned type of patience goals.

(IMO)..

 

Capricorn normally is a patient sign, as we inherently understand "time", (chronos), that "Time and Tide waits for no man", (all Cappys love poetry that stirs the soul, especially about time, like little aphorisims about time or sayings as a collection)

 

This chart has one GREAT saving grace, like my own, which helps take us Cappys (with heavier Moons & more serious Rising signs), out of the doldrums, which is that bouncy, happy, Venus in Sagitarius, always ready and willing to take life a lot less seriously than what might be the case without it.

 

Her Venus is her love.,socialbility, and her freedom in her soul

Venus in Sag people (IMO), are usually well eqipped to take life less seriously then and "see the larger picture", with a dash of humor thrown in for good measure.

 

I see Venus in Sag (ruled by Jupiter), as a godsend for the Capricorn types (such as myself for example), as it helps us to stay not only grounded, but trying to think "beyond the box", as so many without the Jupiter influence cannot seem to accomplish in life.

Jupiter is "large" and bigger then life itself., so whatever it hits in our chart, will be reflective of this impetus (vibration)..in Venus then, with her perceptions.  Scorpio Rising is already "heavier then lead"........lol.,and tends towards pessimism or seriousness, as does Capricorn (in general)......let alone Virgo Moon (studious and self-critical)

So it's a godsend, (to me), to have Venus in Saggy.

 

This position, and help from her parents to help her to overcome any somberness, that might creep in, (with her 21 degree Scorpio AC), is one Venus  that can tickle the funnybone, and she'll appreciate it too!

 

This 2nd house monopoly, in traditional astrology suggests the Value House will have a lot of action over the years,too.

My 2nd house for instance has Moon & Pluto(Sidereal), and Moon only, Placidius/Tropical.

 

Now the Moon in whichever house, will tend to "go thru phases", and in my 2nd (natal house), I was nearly a multi-millionaire, with many properties..........then, moved prematurely, sold prematurely, and now live on a tight budget with No millions.,lol.

So, the "Values" that I have learned, with my moon in the house of "accumulated real estates, riches,/money & material values", is that FOR ME, money is at the bottom of my priority list.

 

Not exactly money, (because we all need money to exist), but accumulations of it, or a fancy house, or a nice car, or new furniture takes the lowest rung now , rather then the highest........Because Moon in the 2nd, has taught me, via Plutonic events in my life, that what truly counts as "Valuable", cannot be found in this house of "Material Values", for me the whole subject of Values, is helping people, and being as spiritual as possible, with the time left............

 

Now, how will little Emma, experience her life then with this conglomeration of planets in the 2nd house of Values??

 

We have Sun here, conjoined to Mercury, (within 7 degrees),both in Capricorn (serious minded), and material minded, as well as Jupiter joining into the stellium.

This is an "accumulative" array of planets in a house known for material values,or the changing of our values to  the higher ones.

 

Jupiter (again tends towards overdoing, larger then life, or the more higher things such as Study of religions, philosophies, and the 9th house things which it rules.)........

OR,

with the Sun, Mercury in Capricorn, Jupiter in Capricorn, may Overdo, with accumulation of "things"......esp. with the Virgo Moon.

A Venus in Sag, (helps) to overcome this trait, (if it even exists)......because she would readily understand that material things, while nice enough, aren't the "be all that ends all", to a life of peace or peace of mind......actually they may do the opposite.

 

Now, MOST people don't understand this, as today we had in America, for instance a multi-state lottery, the largest jackpot EVER, for $370 Million, and it was won by a truck drive ($200 million or so, and the other person, another close to $200million) Everyone of course, for the most part, would LOVE to have these paydays. But there is also a downfall to having so much.

 

This child, WILL understand, innately, that the higher things are probably MORE important then money, accumulations & possessions...........

Sure security is nice and such, we all like that, esp. Capricorn Sun signs. All of them.  Attention to Detail (Virgo Moon), attention to even more details (mercury in Cap)

but Venus in Sag, then is her higher self, IMO, the part that surpasses the mundane reality of everyday physical desires.

 

Her desires in the stellium of a 2nd house will no doubt be for material things, but she is a great student and can be, for understanding how important a"balance" is .

 

My 2nd daughter Jen, (has likewise), a Capricorn Sun and Scorpio Rising, (with a Taurus, retentive Moon)......to beat.  She too likes 500 count sheets, fluffy pillows and her "off time", relaxing, and just taking it easy (won't get off the couch.......as her Moon IS ruled by Venus!!)

 

Yet she is very much self-disciplined (Capricorn trait) , very very organized (Scorpio's trait), too, works when she wants to, 12 hour days sometimes at her job, but learned in life to "give" is to receive and she gives lots & lots, of her time, freely, with no thought of rewards for herself to others (VEnus in Aquarius) and has been doing this (Volunteer work), since she was 16 years old.

 

So, you see, our Venus position & sign,  and how it operates can be our saviour in many ways.

 

Throwing in a balance in a way which benefits our very nature is counterintuitive to it.

 

Her Neptune conjunct Uranus, is curious to me, because Alan Oken says that this positon, may help bring into the consciousness of the person, Intuition via Illumination, BUT, he also says this conjunction occurs only once every 171 years or so, (it occurred in my birth year as well as my husband's in 1947)..........

I do believe however, it is very condusive to higher consciousness, for those who can vibrate (or resonate) to these higher energies of Neptune & Uranus., (my husband can be a trance medium, IF he chose to be, but he does not).....and I dream profusely, always about what I NEED to know, (like enemies I might have who may be out to do me harm, etc.).......

 

So Emma too, has this conjunction,

 

OK, I see I have the Trine (Neptune TRINE Uranus), but the meaning or interp, is about the same.(to properly handle the higher levels of consciousness.....)

My grandson Dean has this conjunction (born in 1996, ) but his little sister Lindsey,(born in 1998) does not!

 

So, it's an important conjunction, occurring only one in approx. 171 years after all.

 

Good to know, she has this ability, but the Venus in Sag, may be beneficial for tapping it.

 

4th house Saturn: traditional as well as Tad Mann, would probably suggest some restrictions, or "felt" restriction by the child in the early home life, possibly from dad (square to Sun) Discipline perhaps.,or seriousness for responsibility.

 

Her Saturn in a critical degree at 1 Aries, so is "sensitive" to criticisms., as Aries is a Cardinal sign, and a sign of leadership, with much pride attached to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like your feedback, as it helps to know as you mentioned, and pointed out, that the Square was not as prominant as a Trine to the Moon......so it's helps when I "miss" the subtleties, and a Virgo points it out to me,

 

as for Neptune and Uranus, 26 deg.to 3rd degree., we are talking a loose conjunction then aren't we?  approx. 7 degrees....not tight but loose, and I'd still say there will probably be some felt of this vibration wouldn't you think??

 

not sure, but I think so.

 

Yes, we can do the little's one next.

 

LUNA:I hope my many posts don't keep others from communicating here, as they then move up or bump the posts whereas they cannot  be seen anymore. (btw., AstralBadger, Tim), left you a post under Natals......this afternoon. and IF you possibly have the time to comment on Flashgord's post & chart, you can find it under: "Ask for Advice", I'd appreciate it, as sometimes, I only see certain things. And sometimes a "Fresh" look is always a good idea, (unbiased), etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anna's Natal, for a minute seemed like "Deja vu" or "I  have seen", lol.  We see the same as with Emma, the Vertex in the 8th prior to birth, prenatally, her destiny, was to be with you.

 

the 9th house cusp, (conception), is the same as Emma's is it not?..........same  love, desire & wants.....pretty much so, but Emma's has the BML with the Moon in the 9th house, and here conjunct the cusp of the 9th, is Jupiter, perhaps more of a benefit (both for parents & Anna).....but Jupiter too, is opposite to Mars (father?), and opposite to Uranus, (some erraticness, or unexpected activity going on during this time?)

 

Uranus & Mars are connected hugging the 3rd house cusp.....and in Pisces..........feelings were very much "on the sleeve" during this time, being seen, open & even actively (Mars) volatile (Uranus).......

 

Then, after Jupiter Sun (dad), Venus(little sister or mom), much love & anticipation.,with Mercury there too....(I'd say little brother, but perhaps not a boy, as many times Mercury is a brother, the youngest one.  All in Virgo. 

 

Perhaps this volatility, during this time period, (square to Pluto from Sun,Mercury &Venus Stellium), suggests a major change. Not just a new baby, but a big transformation took place, and I'm not so sure, that there wasn't some sort of negativity involved somehow, (the squares to Pluto).......,some control issues here.,being worked out.

 

Anna has a nice mixture of Intelligence, balance, and measured thoughts (Virgo Sun/Aq.Moon with Libra at the M/C)

 

Where Emma's birth has a Sun trine to the Moon, Anna's is unaspected, but the Sun (father) then is square to the AC.

 

Something was different in the relationship.

I look then to my own 3 to try & recall..........

 

okay, (reporting back).......Becky (the 1st born), has no aspects to her Sun from the Moon. Actually her Sun is completely unaspected (see the thread I posted for unaspected Sun)....perhaps making me worry she's rather like "drifting" lot of the time, and not "integrated" the personality with the emotions.........but she's (outwardly), very happy, but (inwardly), I think a contradiction.

 

So, what is unaspected Sun (from the Moon), indicative of truly??

 

I know, I didn't know (consciously), or have a clue as to her conception, tho her father claims he did. (intuitively)

 

 

I suppose one might say, that Jen & I get along & understand each other better then Becky & I, or certainly Jessica and her folks (estranged one)...........

But WHY Moon trine Sun??............is it a "pre-natal" disposition of the relationship that cemented this trine?

I'm beginning to think it's Pre-Natal rather then during conception (the parents relationship), as all 3 were born to parents    who dearly loved each other.....although some subtle difference could be found I'm sure, as to jobs, worries, stress, etc. But not "large ones" to stand out.

 

I know in a "psychic" reading, that my husband gave when we were young (and they were just born or very young)......his "source" said, that they were very young (inexperienced souls), and that Becky was the younger of the two......That Jen (though 2 years younger then Becky), as they aged,  it would be seen that Jen was truly the "older soul " more mature of the two, easily using her wits and intelligence, to analyze things better then the other (This has proven quite accurate as I can see now that they are both in their 30s)............

 

One (Jen), though younger, is far more astute (deeper), and can analyze better (Becky has unaspected Sun )........

 

So, you see, I'm still thinking, it's more Pre-Natal disposition of the souls themselves, versus what the parents were or werent' doing during the  time of their conception.

 

She was "unexpected" as I said earlier, a surprise, but her father quickly adjusted his thinking, and was Pleased as punch".......so why an unaspected Sun?............not sure.

 

I know at first when I first told him, he was "worried", because we had just put in a contract to move (another home), and money was tight.

 

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So, here in Anna's chart, we have again, an unaspected Sun to the Moon.

But Anna will not be a "Becky", (although Becky's doing great in life), she will not be "drifting", emotionally, or unintegrated (feelings with personality structure)......She has many other aspects to HER Sun.  Like the Mercury,Venus, the Sextile to Saturn, (a good one).,she should get along with dad quite well.,  but Pluto is the "niggler" or worry stress point in this chart.

 

Chiron then is opposite to Saturn (again Dad?), and Saturn in the 7th house of marriage, indicates "restrictions" with this house.,or marrying someone much older then she is......a Delayed marriage (all 3 of these are potentials)

This is the "marriage House", and Saturn here "usually" suggests 1)older mate  2) delays  3) restrictions of some sort

 

Then again, we have the Moon Conjunct Neptune "issue" here. and Neptune is Inconjunct Saturn........Were there issues prior to Anna's birth that are showing up in her chart?........Saturn in two houses prior to her conception.

 

This child may be the "younger" soul of the two. Emma the older soul.(not chronologically speaking necessarily)

 

Needing more supervision then, and a more watchful eye (Pluto rising), and the squares to Mercury & Venus.

 

I must suggest too, that the Neptune (conjoining the Moon), may suggest that she will "lie", or attempt to more often...and get away with it.

Be on the lookout, (as I know you will anyway), as a mom, and just your own intelligence.........but this is a degree of Neptune which will tend towards deceptions.

accdg.to the critical degrees site I use. (Nancy Fenn's site) puts 11 Aquarius, along with 13 Libra & 2 Gemini, all at risk for this trait. 

She also has BML conjunct Algol, ans well as NN conjunct Algol.

 

My husband had  a lot of "bad luck" in his life, mostly with jobs, and just not being recognized for his self-worth.  He is the smartest man I know, actually brilliant, creative and a gem. He can and does fix everything, always did, and he's the first one everyone calls when something is broken (including people), for his marvelous analytical ability.

 

BUT he has the NN conjunct Algol.......and I'm convinced that what we all called as the "family curse", (tongue in cheek), as a joke .....because of his bad luck came from this position.

 

So, to be forewarned is to be aware, IMO.

 

I remember telling Jessica, before we moved, (she was still with us then), that her chart has the Cinderella complex in it. A Venus in Pisces square to Neptune "Someday my Prince Will Come".............and she remarked, 'well, will this be permanent?" and I said, that's the whole reason to be warned of these things, we ALL have something in our charts to be aware of , to be wary of, and this was hers so she could overcome it of course!!

 

She DID then still fall for the guys, with the blind eye of "someday my Prince will come" even AFTER being warned.,and knowing consciously of this pre-dispostion.

 

Anyway, Anna has lots of good intelligence, smarts & all that Virgo to bolster her, (Mars in Pisces is a bit weak however for stamina).........watch this....

in case she requires extra vitamins, etc.

 

Her Pluto at 17 SAG, is considered a critical degree as is the Neptune in 11 AQU.............so to be forewarned, to use her intellligence, her god-given brain, to analyze, set herself aside to reason first before acting (AC in Sag, loves to just jump right in without thinking first!!).....then ask questions later.

 

The younger souls, need to be "taught" this more then the older ones.....we can't teach them forever, they will  need to make their own choices and mistakes too, , but we can teach them while they are in our guidance the best we can to prepare them for their own place in the world.

 

This is Where she'll need to LEARN to slow down, analyze first, prior to movement or jumping into things, or relationships, not to scare her away from them (Saturn in 7th), but just to slow down a bit,,.......and "balance" (Libra / Virgo) and "analyze" before making her decisions. 

 

 

A good mix to work with.......lots of Virgo/AQ./SAG & Libra, you should be able to help her to help herself.

 

(P.S. don't forget IF you find the time to check out Flashgord's request on Ask for Advice),

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prior to the Conception would be the 8th House.  In this house, we see the Moon (mother), conjoined to Uranus (unstable , freedom loving, or some sort of unusual circumstances) surrounding the enviornment of the mother.

Perhaps not in one place, moving about?..........whatever it was, it is here in the baby's chart.

 

The 9th house enviornment for conception, is in Pisces.

Mine was in Pisces too, and although Andy & Tad Mann suggest the mother was not in full control then, there was a kind of disconnect (Pisces), or even alcohol, involved.....perhaps, at the very least the mother was not the initiator, as much as the father.........

 

(my mom may  have had a drink or two, but not much of a drinker......)for instance......

 

Right now, btw, you see Uranus, (that questionable, erratic natured planet, freedom loving, and ruled by Aquarius,), is presently transiting the child's 9th house or conception area...and is opposite Saturn (karma)......or Father.

 

(Moon= mother

(Venus= mother or sister

(Sun = father

(Saturn = father

 

these are a few of the symbols.

 

When her mom found she was pregnant, she was very much then authenticated as an "Adult", bona-fide, and it boosted her self-esteem (Aries at the M/C).......so the child likewise, with Aries at the M/C will herself, forcefully, (not timidly), take her rightful place in life.

 

Mentioning, only as an "Aside", that BML (the deepest part of the psyche), and in this case, in the "hidden" part of the chart, is squre to the M/C......in this chart.

Not sure how to read such, so only mention because the M/C is how we project ourselves in the outer world.,and how the outer world receives us........Her BML is in Cancer, the rising sign, so "feelings" will always hold a great place in her, and about her., and they will be connected to the most depth in the child. (the BML)......for either self-analyzation at some point in time, or for help from the parents & /or grandparents to know about.

Feelings are paramount, as is her "sense of security", and with Saturn in the 1st house (ages birth to 7 months), she will not really have much of a childhood (like myself), having to grow up with certain responsibilities, and not with the carefree atmosphere of a child without Saturn in the 1st House.

Saturn brings woe, or harder times, or at the VERY least, it will bring to us, early responsibilities.......to dress ourselves, take care of ourselves, not really a Disneyworld type of enviornment, we envy other children with (like my own grandchildren.....)Dean & Lindsey).....

 

HOWEVER, my twin granddaughters, have Saturn in the 1st, and I'm not sure since they are now 3 years old in March, how they are faring at home, with their mom.

As far as I know, they "seem" fine, but not sure about the emotional circumstances surrounding their home life yet.

For instance, does their mom yell a lot? does she get angry with them? are they ignored a good deal of the time and have to dresss themselves, or whatever??..........I simply don't have access to answer these important questions about my OWN twin granddaughters, but someday, I'll be finding out I'm sure.

I know when they were babies, they were cared for by a nanny, or a babysitter a few days a week, to give their mother a break (she's my youngest daughter and is estranged from her family)..........

 

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So, unlike some , I will not say, Saturn in the 1st MEANS this or that, only "suggest" it's very possible......these things may apply.  I'm not going to be dogmatic about any of my readings. ,When I simply can't say for sure.

 

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We do see however, that "father" (Saturn), is sitting there in the early life of the child (Mann puts the 2nd house at up to 18 months, and then the 3rd house he puts at just over 3 yrs)

 

NOW, this child has Saturn sitting very closely to the ASC.,within one degree.

If you look at my granddaughters (the twins), chart, on the Astrology thread or even under the Natals I've posted you'll see for instance their Saturn is away from the ASC. (which is good), I was told, and they have (on the twins thread I posted), an "Astrological Twin", born about the same time as they were, and in Egypt, with Saturn smack on the ASC. (sort of like this child's)........

 

I was told by Andy, (on that other site), when he was talking to me back then, lol;

That the "closer" Saturn is to the ASC. the more harm it does, the more malefic it is.

 

Now that's what HE said.,when he agreed to look at the twins chart for me on that other site you too were on.....(I forgot the name of it)........

But I posted the Egyptian twin girls chart with my own twin granddaughters, because of hte eerily close connections and this he commented on about Saturn.

 

(You can see the charts here on my site)

 

 

NOW, this child has her own Saturn very close to the ASC.,so, no doubt, this early home disturbance will affect her and it's "written in the stars" you might conclude, after all, it's in her natal chart........so if it wasn't one set of events to affect her, it would have been another.....to bonafide the Saturn position.

 

It's not the kiss of death or anything, after all, h er Natal Saturn is not in a bad condition overall at all......Shes a strong little girl, Mars in Scorpio, 24th degree, her Sa turn has a few trines. (so perhaps an older soul?).............and can take the bumps in life better then some might.

 

Her Sun however (father), is "Inconjunct", Quincunx (or a hard aspects) toSaturn.  possibly a karmic affair, (I would think so).............

 

Her Uranus, is very very interesting to me.  At 3 Pisces (it is in a Conjunction with "Fomalhaut", which is a Star called a Variable Star.

It brings neither bad things, nor good then, but either/or.

 

It may be worth checking & reading about then.  My grandson Dean, has his Sun exactly at 3 degrees Pisces (conjunct this Star)......so he's too young yet, for me to observe it's working in the life.

 

BUT, your granddaughter, has not only her Uranus conjunct this Star but it's also Quintile to Pluto, Quintile to POF, bi-Q to Saturn and bi-Q the ASC.

 

 Now, what are we to make of this?.......and more importantly, what does it auger for her?

 

Usually, it's my understanding that the Quintiles & Bi-Quintiles are creative aspects, which help to augment, or turn an otherwise, strain into an easier and more creative way of dealing with things.....

 

I also thought it means, "Creative ability".....and is a kind of genius thing.?

Fomalhaut, beyond being a Royal Star (and a variable), also, suggests it will give the native a "Name".

 

Now hopefully the name given will be with a kind of fame not attached to anything bad, but only good things,,,,,but remember, it's a "Variable", so can go either way.

 

I can't imagine yet what Dean (he's only 11 ) will be known for, but who knows??

 

Again, it's worth noting & investigating this star, and remember, for her it's connected with the energies of Uranus, (another planet known for either/or..........creativity, unusual genius, and/or erratic nature and separation)......being ruled by Aquarius.

 

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Her 5thHouse Stellium, catches my eye too.  Here, the house of Creativity, uncommitted sexual laisons....romance, (it's ruled normally by Leo), is in this case, in Sagittarius, so very active, not a slacker in these areas.

 

Venus here, the Vertex (destiny), then Mercury in Sag then Pluto connected to the Sun.

Now Pluto conjoined the Sun (father image)............is a bit worrisome, but this is later in life, as Mann give the 5th house over to the teenage years, and into the 6th (as Pluto & the Sun are), around ages, 13 on up.

 

Here then, is where her mother or others in her charge need to be particulary careful who she is hanging with, who she is dating, who and what she is doing, as Pluto is in a "Catalsyt for self own undoing" degree the 22nd degree of Sag.,and connected to the Sun..............this is where the worry comes in, and she'll be most vulnerable.

 

I'd say, ALL kids at that age 13-plus are vulnerable of course, but with this child, moreseo.,because of the nature of these planets (Pluto with the Sun).......trying and experiementing moreso then a lot of less brave kids perhaps might.

 

I hope this helps Ca tion a little bit, to get to know the chart of this granddaughter, and I can see she will be a handful, lol., but so are many.

 

She is very fiery (lots of Sag, Mars in Scorpio) headstrong to the MAX (Cancer & Aries M/C).....will want to lead her own life, her own way......not too mutable, more headstrong I'd say.

and Freedom loving.

 

She'll keep you hopping,

 

CLM

 

 

Hi Luna:  Re:

                             I know Emma wanted little baby and prayed for her...I was aware of her desire and it coloured my decision...but where would you find that in the chart? I am hesitant to see planets as people, because if Venus was Emma, who would the Mercury be?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luna said:

                              Becky did not see harmony, she was picking up on what's wrong rather what's right (does she have virgo moon?)

 

 

 

Tad Mann's theory then, incorporates from Birth (Conception), to Death..........around the zodiac, but the primary focus is of course, on the fetal changes, or impressions as well as the earlier maturity, into adulthood. The various Octaves of life.......

 

Here Luna, is a link for Mars in Pisces, I thought you'd like this one.........it's a good link to see all the various signs and energies connected to them if you haven't seen it already (just scroll down to Mars in Pisces)

 

 

21degree Scorpio "A Definite Loss" degree at the M/C

 

Mercury conjunct ALGOL (within a large orb of 6-7degrees)

 

Neptune in the 8th house (prior to conception), with Saturn (father). Both parents must have been drug addicts or experiemented with drugs...from his background, it is likely.

 

NN (15 (maximum degree), PISCES - a lifelong sacrifice or  "victim" with that type of a personality he expresses(lots of victimization) attitude.

 

BML - Gemini nearing the "Anaretic Degree" very sensitive, in the dual / twin (mental sign)....and square to Saturn

 

Pluto is square the Moon and square to Mercury

 

Uranus is square Jupiter (a classic excessive Uranian) position

 

South Node (already considered a Malefic in Hindu Astrology), is in the 8th house.  The 2nd/8th house axis is considered by Robert Schulmann to be the hardest vibration to overcome.....as well as 12/6....vying for 2nd place.(IMO)