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From: MSN Nicknamegeorgebailey1947  (Original Message)Sent: 9/5/2006 10:16 PM
Here is the true UFO video, the only one I'm aware of....
 
 
 phoenixtriangle.wmv  


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 1/2/2007 4:54 PM
A recent UFO sighting by the Pilot and the crew over O'Hare Airport has been essentially "shut down" to the public knowledge, again, by the U.S.A. government agency, the FAA (Federal Air Association)
 
Read about it here:
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 1/4/2007 5:42 PM
UFO at O'Hare makes Mainstream News - 2 months later


January 1, 2007

It sounds like a tired joke--but a group of airline employees insist they are in earnest, and they are upset that neither their bosses nor the government will take them seriously.

A flying saucerlike object hovered low over O'Hare International Airport for several minutes before bolting through thick clouds with such intense energy that it left an eerie hole in overcast skies, said some United Airlines employees who observed the phenomenon.

Was it an alien spaceship? A weather balloon lost in the airspace over the world's second-busiest airport? A top-secret military craft? Or simply a reflection from lights that played a trick on the eyes?

Officials at United professed no knowledge of the Nov. 7 event--which was reported to the airline by as many as a dozen of its own workers--when the Tribune started asking questions recently. But the Federal Aviation Administration said its air traffic control tower at O'Hare did receive a call from a United supervisor asking if controllers had spotted a mysterious elliptical-shaped craft sitting motionless over Concourse C of the United terminal.

No controllers saw the object, and a preliminary check of radar found nothing out of the ordinary, FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory said.

The FAA is not conducting a further investigation, Cory said. The theory is the sighting was caused by a "weather phenomenon," she said.

The UFO report has sparked some chuckles among controllers in O'Hare tower.

"To fly 7 million light years to O'Hare and then have to turn around and go home because your gate was occupied is simply unacceptable," said O'Hare controller and union official Craig Burzych.

Some of the witnesses, interviewed by the Tribune, said they are upset that neither the government nor the airline is probing the incident.

Whatever the object was, it could have interfered with O'Hare's radar and other equipment, and even created a collision risk, they said.

The Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (the term that extraterrestrial-watchers nowadays prefer over Unidentified Flying Object) was first seen by a United ramp worker who was directing back a United plane at Gate C17, according to an account the worker provided to the National UFO Reporting Center.


The sighting occurred during daylight, about 4:30 p.m., just before sunset.

All the witnesses said the object was dark gray and well defined in the overcast skies. They said the craft, estimated by different accounts to be 6 feet to 24 feet in diameter, did not display any lights.

Some said it looked like a rotating Frisbee, while others said it did not appear to be spinning. All agreed the object made no noise and it was at a fixed position in the sky, just below the 1,900-foot cloud deck, until shooting off into the clouds.

Witnesses shaken by sighting

"I tend to be scientific by nature, and I don't understand why aliens would hover over a busy airport," said a United mechanic who was in the cockpit of a Boeing 777 that he was taxiing to a maintenance hangar when he observed the metallic-looking object above Gate C17.

"But I know that what I saw and what a lot of other people saw stood out very clearly, and it definitely was not an [Earth] aircraft," the mechanic said.

One United employee appeared emotionally shaken by the sighting and "experienced some religious issues" over it, one co-worker said.

A United manager said he ran outside his office in Concourse B after hearing the report about the sighting on an internal airline radio frequency.

"I stood outside in the gate area not knowing what to think, just trying to figure out what it was," he said. "I knew no one would make a false call like that. But if somebody was bouncing a weather balloon or something else over O'Hare, we had to stop it because it was in very close proximity to our flight operations
."

Some joke, others research

The databases of various UFO-watching groups are full of accounts filed by pilots about sightings of unknown aircraft and anomalies that affected navigational equipment onboard planes.

Whether any of the UFO incidents are real or merely the result of individual perceptions, some experts say the events pose a potential safety risk to pilots and their passengers.

"There have been documented cases where safety appears to have been implicated, and more and more we are coming to the point of view that we are dealing with an intelligent phenomenon," said Richard Haines, science director at the National Aviation Reporting Center on Anomalous Phenomena, a private agency.

"We must be proactive before an aircraft goes down," said Haines, a former chief of the Space Human Factors Office at NASA's Ames Research Center.

Haines is investigating the O'Hare incident. He said he has determined that no weather balloons were launched in the vicinity of O'Hare on Nov. 7.

"It's absurd that the military would be conducting aerial test flights" near the airport, Haines said.

All the witnesses to the O'Hare event, who included at least several pilots, said they are certain based on the disc's appearance and flight characteristics that it was not an airplane, helicopter, weather balloon or any other craft known to man.

United denies UFO report

They're not sure what was hanging out for several minutes in the restricted airspace, but they are upset that no one in power has taken the matter seriously.

A United spokeswoman said there is no record of the UFO report. She said United officials do not recall discussion of any such incident.

"There's nothing in the duty manager log, which is used to report unusual incidents," said United spokeswoman Megan McCarthy. "I checked around. There's no record of anything."

The pilots of the United plane being directed back from Gate C17 also were notified by United personnel of the sighting, and one of the pilots reportedly opened a windscreen in the cockpit to get a better view of the object estimated to be hovering 1,500 feet above the ground.

The object was seen to suddenly accelerate straight up through the solid overcast skies, which the FAA reported had 1,900-foot cloud ceilings at the time.

"It was like somebody punched a hole in the sky," said one United employee.

Witnesses said they had a hard time visually tracking the object as it streaked through the dense clouds.

It left behind an open hole of clear air in the cloud layer, the witnesses said, adding that the hole disappeared within a few minutes.

The United employees interviewed by the Tribune spoke on condition of anonymity.

Some said they were interviewed by United officials and instructed to write reports and draw pictures of what they observed, and that they were advised by United officials to refrain from speaking about what they saw.


Federal agency backtracks

Like United, the FAA originally told the Tribune that it had no information on the alleged UFO sighting. But the federal agency quickly reversed its position after the newspaper filed a Freedom of Information Act request.

An internal FAA review of air-traffic communications tapes, a step toward complying with the Tribune request, turned up the call by the United supervisor to an FAA manager in the airport tower, Cory said.

Cory(FAA spokeperson),  said the weather might have factored into what the witnesses thought they saw.

"Our theory on this is that it was a weather phenomenon," she said. "That night was a perfect atmospheric condition in terms of low [cloud] ceiling and a lot of airport lights. When the lights shine up into the clouds, sometimes you can see funny things. That's our take on it."

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/24/2007 12:27 AM
The Phoenix Lights Anniversary 10 Years ago......
March 13th, 2007
 
...............My Experience that night:.........
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/24/2007 12:57 AM

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=18956

 

EXCERPTED:

 

Ten years ago this March, a huge object that some witnesses believe may have been an extraterrestrial spacecraft drifted slowly and silently over the Phoenix, Arizona, metropolitan region, also known as "The Valley of the Sun."

Planning for the ten-year anniversary of that incident is underway and includes a Phoenix-area showing the award-winning documentary film THE PHOENIX LIGHTS as well as other activities and events.

Coming on the heels of a widely-reported sighting at Chicago's O'Hare international Airport of a small, hovering gray metallic disc, the tenth anniversary of "The Phoenix Lights" incident promises to renew interest and speculation about these kinds of events.

In Arizona, many people will be looking into the night sky.

SIZE OF UFO SURPRISED WITNESSES

In the early evening of March 13, 1997, a massive V-shaped, boomerang-shaped or triangle-shaped object with large lights on the underside of it was observed by thousands of people across Arizona and Phoenix.

The object was reported to be one mile to two miles across in size.

Reportedly first spotted northwest of Arizona in Henderson, Nevada, at approximately 7 p.m., the object proceeded in basically a southeast or south-southeast direction somewhat diagonally across Arizona.

Its flight path included passing near the town of Prescott and eventually directly over the metro Phoenix area later that evening, including over central Phoenix itself.

Like the recent O'Hare International Airport UFO sighting, the object also was observed by personnel at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport. Air traffic controllers and at least one commercial aircraft crew reported seeing it as the object drifted overhead.

By approximately 10 p.m. the massive object was continuing its slow and steady cruise in the same direction as it left the southeast outskirts of the Valley of the Sun.

Many videotapes and still camera shots were taken. Calls were made to police and the news media. Local TV stations and newspapers carried the story. The national media reported on it as well. Witnesses were interviewed. Professional investigators of all kinds looked at the circumstances and evidence.

The Phoenix Lights incident became one of the most publicized and well-documented UFO sightings in memory.

SOMETHING GOING ON?

March 13, 2007, will remind many Arizonans and people around the world that there seem to be interesting things going on.

 

OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE LIGHTS..........THAT NIGHT CAN BE READ HERE ALONG WITH THE MAP OF WHERE WE SAW IT:

http://www.geocities.com/hawk7938/index.html


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/24/2007 1:01 AM

UFOs flew over Phoenix in '97, Symington says

western news

By TOM BEAL
Friday, March 23, 2007

Former Gov. Fife Symington says now that those strange lights that appeared over Phoenix a decade ago were from another world and that he had a close encounter with an alien craft on March 13, 1997.

"I'm a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I've ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people," Symington said Thursday. "I don't know why people would ridicule it."

Symington, who was in his second term as governor of Arizona during the Phoenix Lights incident, recently told a UFO investigator making a documentary that he had kept quiet about his personal close encounter because he didn't want to panic the populace. He repeated his story this week on CNN, saying the craft he saw was "enormous. It just felt other-worldly. In your gut, you could just tell it was other-worldly."

The governor didn't let on at the time and, instead, poked fun at the whole thing.

He hosted a press conference a few months after the mass sightings to announce that his Department of Public Safety had arrested the culprit responsible _ a very tall bug-eyed creature brought before the media in handcuffs.

He then unmasked the creature to reveal his chief of staff, Jay Heiler, who at 6-foot-4 made an imposing, somewhat comical space alien.

Symington said the producer of the film "Out of the Blue," James Fox, originally sought him out to talk about why he had spoofed the sightings but then asked if he had seen the lights.

"I said, 'Yeah, I got a good look.' "

Heiler said he isn't surprised Symington believes in UFOs.

He said his boss was a "Trekkie" who enjoyed discussing space travel. Heiler said Symington was convinced that earthlings would be traveling to distant solar systems at speeds exceeding the speed of light "in our lifetimes."

Heiler said he remained "the earthbound skeptic" in those talks.

Symington never mentioned his personal observation of the Phoenix Lights but was always interested in getting to the bottom of it, Heiler said.

Symington's June 1997 press conference coincided with his appearance in federal court on a variety of fraud charges.

"It was a troublesome period to say the least," Symington said. He said he didn't need the additional problems that would have come with the admission he had seen a UFO. He told only his wife, he said.

Symington was convicted of bank and wire fraud and had to vacate his office that September. His conviction was later overturned and he was pardoned by President Bill Clinton before federal prosecutors made a decision on refiling.

Tucson astronomer and retired Air Force pilot James McGaha said he investigated two separate sightings over Phoenix that March night and traced them both to A-10 aircraft flying in formation at high altitude.

McGaha said he talked to an amateur astronomer who observed the A-10s and to the National Guard unit that flew them.

"It was clearly aircraft in formation, flying at two different times and then dropping flares and it's clear to any rational person that's what it was," McGaha said.

Symington, however, said he's always believed that life existed elsewhere. "The universe is a big place and we're conceited to think we're alone."


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/24/2007 1:06 AM
 
Click on the photo on this link to see just how much the then Gov. Symington, "hurt the cause" of the truth, and helped the cover-up at Luke AFB
de-bunk the entire sighting with this photo op.
 
Disgusting!
 
NOW, he's coming clean??............and they say better late then never, but he really did hurt those of us who were sincere, and helped the massive cover-up 10 years ago.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/2/2007 5:46 AM
A very nice professor, on a web site helped me to post this version of the Original UFO sighting in Arizona, that night of March 13th, 1997 which I saw along with my husband and neighbors.
 
The Video of the UFO (very short clip), is the only one I think is of the legitimate 8:30PM sighting of the craft.....
it's quite short however,but very clear .... I hope you enjoy it, as much as I did in giving it to the public forum for the 10 year Anniversary this year.
 
CLM

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/2/2007 5:48 AM
whoops! forgot to add the Link (updated and revised):
 

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From: MSN NicknameArchanNoor1Sent: 10/26/2007 12:08 AM
Very interesting. I do believe that we have "Visitors" on this planet and maybe even more often than we know or realize.

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