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Thomas William Bowes was born July 25, 1839.
Recently discovered Naturalization papers record Prince Edward Island as birthplace. Son of Thomas Bowes (Lawyer, b. 1802 Ireland) and Lydia Bowes (b. 1811 England).
Nelson Parish, Northumberland, New Brunswick 1851 shows the family along with an older sister Sarah (b.1833 or 1835). It also says, Thomas Bowes (the Lawyer) entered the colony in 1825.
It has taken many years to get to this far. Any help in finding out more of this Family would be appreciated.
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Thanks For The New info,Yes I realised it was you had put the info up.Jelora Has Asked me one or two bits to ask you,But you seem to have answered this for us.One thing Do you Know If Thomas SR, Was Married before.We found a Possible link With Nova Scotia. Mike |
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| | From:  meagert | Sent: 5/7/2007 7:47 PM |
I do not know anything of Thomas Bowes -Ireland, other than his entry to
NB in 1835. I know less about Lydia.
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I found your query re: Waddell's" when I was searching for further info on my
father's family. He was John Boyd Waddell, born Dec 1, 1901 in Ramsay, Ontario,
Near Almonte. His father was Robert Waddell and his mother was Mary Ann McTavish.
He died in 1943, before I was born, and the following is the only info I have been
Able to find about the Ottawa area Waddell's.
James Waddell was born Feb 10, 1795 or '96 (probably in Glasgow, Scotland). He
Married Margaret Thom or Thorne. A son, John was born in 1828. In 1831, the
Family came to Canada with Thomas Bowes and his pregnant wife, Jessie (Dick).
A daughter was born at sea before they arrived in Halifax, NS, April 20, 1831,
Who later married John Waddell and had a son, Robert, who married Mary MacTavish.
Sometime after my father was born on Dec. 1, 1901, they moved to Alberta and
Settled near Delburne, Alberta.
I do not know if they went to the Ottawa area directly after arriving in Halifax.
I don't think they came with the Waddells who settled in either Nova Scotia or New
Brunswick, but they could possibly be cousins to those Waddell's.
Does this connect with your Waddell roots? I would love to hear from any of you
Regarding any info you have re the Ottawa area Waddells. The Above is a Message put on a site,But note The Ref to a Thomas Bowes,This is why we asked, did you think he was Married before.Seems strange That 2 Thomas Bowes went to the area,We are not saying its correct.And also not Saying related to Waddles.But Unsure Mike
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| | | From: meagert | Sent: 5/8/2007 12:14 AM |
I have seen this before, but the dates and names never coincided with
anything I knew, or found. This said 1832, the Census says 1835, and
married to Lydia. Both of them may have other marriages, but who knows
without proof. Did they marry in Canada? Did they marry in England or
Ireland? I have not found anything in the online PEI/NB marriage records.
There were actually quite a few Bowes moved into the Maritimes in
these years...Scotch, Irish, and English (Lyons). And the names Thomas,
John, Edward, William were used by ALL of them.
I have searched all the connections I have ever found online, over the
years, to Bowes' in Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Ottawa, Toronto,
Pennsylvania, Massachusetts (Worcester), NC, and have never found a
connection to any of them.
My little tribe of Bowes' seemed invisible, and quietly made their
way through the New World. For the longest time I thought they were
hiding something, like crimes or such, even finding a murder in Canada
(NS If I remember correctly) by a T. Bowes, but the Police found that to
be an alias.
Anything is possible at the moment, but I think there is no connection
here.....
A Ship's Record would be very helpful, but I have never found one.
Unless something I don't know about shows up here for North America, my
concentration may turn towards Ireland and the UK. I of course, do not
know my way around all the intricacies of Recorded Genealogy. I am only
able to do Web Searches...if it's on the Web, for North America, I have
probably seen it. When it comes to Great Britain, I am
useless....there's too much there for my hit and miss searches...I must
depend on the skills of others.
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> I found your query re: Waddell's" when I was searching for
> further info on my
> father's family. He was John Boyd Waddell, born Dec 1, 1901 in
> Ramsay, Ontario,
> Near Almonte. His father was Robert Waddell and his mother was
> Mary Ann McTavish.
> He died in 1943, before I was born, and the following is the
> only info I have been
> Able to find about the Ottawa area Waddell's.
> James Waddell was born Feb 10, 1795 or '96 (probably in Glasgow,
> Scotland). He
> Married Margaret Thom or Thorne. A son, John was born in 1828.
> In 1831, the
> Family came to Canada with Thomas Bowes and his pregnant wife,
> Jessie (Dick).
> A daughter was born at sea before they arrived in Halifax, NS,
> April 20, 1831,
> Who later married John Waddell and had a son, Robert, who
> married Mary MacTavish.
> Sometime after my father was born on Dec. 1, 1901, they moved to
> Alberta and
> Settled near Delburne, Alberta.
> I do not know if they went to the Ottawa area directly after
> arriving in Halifax.
> I don't think they came with the Waddells who settled in either
> Nova Scotia or New
> Brunswick, but they could possibly be cousins to those Waddell's.
> Does this connect with your Waddell roots? I would love to hear
> from any of you
> Regarding any info you have re the Ottawa area Waddells.
>
> The Above is a Message put on a site,But note The Ref to a Thomas
> Bowes,This is why we asked, did you think he was Married
> before.Seems strange That 2 Thomas Bowes went to the area,We are
> not saying its correct.And also not Saying related to Waddles.But
> Unsure
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Hi Robert,Totally Agree,Will Check Out English Ones If I can.Irish Is slightly More Difficult.But Records are Available.The Birminghams Originate In the Tulla Area Of Clare.Name Being Changed To Bermingham.In Lds There is a record For An Honor Birmingham Correct Years For the one you are searching for.Now i have Checked up the name and it is a Clare name.Best Place for checking those out are Clare Library.In there Griffiths Registrations you will see Birmingham and Bermingham.But only the one Family from Tulla Clare.So May be worth checking that out.Will See what else turns up for you Mike |
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| | | From: meagert | Sent: 5/8/2007 9:01 PM |
I suspected Tulla, but I have to be careful...there were several Honora Birminghams, around the same time, that I have come across
What I know goes like this:
Thomas Bowes + Honora Mullen
Patrick Mullen + Honora Birmingham
Honora Birmingham (b. Ireland) + Sister Johanna
Patrick + Ann Birmingham = Parents (b. Ireland)
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Hi Robert,in the Nara database,it has these results BIRMINGHAM HONORA age 02 Ireland NEW-YORK LIVERPOOL CONSTELLATION 004 07-03-1849 532 07/03/1849
BIRMINGHAM HONORA age 20 Ireland USA LIVERPOOL ANNE 004 04-28-1851 232 04/28/1851 |
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| | | From: meagert | Sent: 5/8/2007 10:24 PM |
The Constellation is the one I think is right...According to her fist marriage to Patrick Mullen in 1864, she was twenty (=b. 1844)
The 1849 Constellation lists her as 2 (=b. 1847)
A three year difference
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Hi Rob sounds about right,You Know women always lying about there ages lol |
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| | | From: meagert | Sent: 5/9/2007 11:30 PM |
I received some information by email, courtesy of jelora (Many Many Thanks for her efforts, and mickym1951) , and for the record I'll enter some of it on this Board.
Found:
Bowes, Thomas-24; occu.-; enl. July 13, 1861, at Boston, for 2 yrs, as Seaman, credit Boston.
Served on Recg Ship Ohio and U.S.S. Cambridge. Disch. Aug 5, 1863, from Recg. Ship at Boston, as Seaman.
I looked up the ships:
OHIO - Receiving Ship
In both the North and the South it was customary to send the newly recruited men to a receiving ship. These were usually old frigates or other sail-powered ships that were stationed at navy yards in the North and functioned as floating dormitories. In the South old merchant ships were used at Richmond and at other major Southern ports. A recruit arriving on board a receiving ship reported to the officer of the deck. His name and other details went into the ship's books, and be was sent forward. Usually be received only the clothing needed for immediate service. In the North no civilian clothing was allowed, though shortages of uniforms later in the war sometimes made it necessary to modify this rule in the South. When the recruit arrived at the forward part of the receiving ship, he was given a number for his hammock and another for his clothes bag and was assigned to a mess.
While on board a receiving ship the recruit learned the rudiments of navy life. He learned how to address and to respect his officers, petty officers, and shipmates. Much time was spent in various kinds of drills, such as learning to handle sails, rigging, boats, and cutlasses, as well as the procedures for repelling boarders. The manpower demands of the Union and the Confederate navies meant that the amount of time a recruit was on a receiving ship ranged from a few days to a few weeks. Anything not learned on the receiving ship had to be learned in the hard school of active service. Periodically the commander of the receiving ship would receive orders to send a certain number of men to a vessel preparing for active service, or as replacements for a ship that had lost men through death, illness, or desertion.
Once a man reported to a ship in the regular service, he was assigned to various stations at the guns, on deck, in the tops, in a boat, at a mess, and in a hammock. Each had a number to be remembered. So, on a man-of-war, a given recruit or veteran might define his niche in the following way: He belonged to the starboard watch, was stationed in the top of the mizzenmast; he belonged to the third division of the battery, attached to gun number eight, where he was the first loader. In the event of a need to board an enemy vessel, he was the second boarder in his division. When it was necessary to loose or to furl sails, his post was at the starboard yardarm of the mizzen topgallant yard. In reefing sails his position was on the port yardarm of the mizzen topsail yard. When tacking or wearing the ship, his place was at the lee main brace. If the anchor was being raised, his duty was at the capstan. In a boat he pulled the bow oar of the captain's gig. Until all these assignments became second nature to him, the recruit might forget his numbers and have to refresh his memory by consulting the station bill, where everyone's position was recorded. (http://www.civilwarhome.com/sailorlife.htm)
USS CAMBRIDGE - PICTURE: USS CAMBRIDGE
http://americancivilwar.com/tcwn/civil_war/Navy_Ships/USS_Cambridge.html
The first USS Cambridge was an armed steamship in use during the American Civil War http://www.answers.com/topic/american-civil-war. It is notable for having picked up escaped slave William B. Gould off Cape Fear, North Carolina.
"In September 1862, William Benjamin Gould escaped from slavery by rowing to the U.S.S. Cambridge, a Union gunboat patrolling off the coast of Wilmington, North Carolina. He served in the United States Navy for the remainder of the Civil War and left a diary of his experiences - one of only three known diaries of African American sailors from the period."
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Rob,In Lds there is a Marriage Of a Thomas Bowes To a Lydia bird 15th oct 1794
Saint Vedast Foster Lane And Saint Michael Le Querlo, London, London, England. Im not sure if this is to early Mike |
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| | | From: meagert | Sent: 5/19/2007 12:18 AM |
I did a double take on this one too....but
What little we know says my Thomas Bowes was born in Ireland 1802.
He must have lived in a cave, cause I can't find a thing about him
before or after the 1851 Northumberland New Brunswick Census.....
Thanks very much for keepin on this...it's lonely out here....lol
From mickym1951:
Rob,In Lds there is a Marriage Of a Thomas Bowes To a Lydia bird
15th oct 1794
Saint Vedast Foster Lane And Saint Michael Le Querlo, London, London,
England. Im not sure if this is to early
Mike
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I have run various searches here and that seems only one with a lydia.But just thought the dates were to early as you said 1811 for lydia.I suppose its possible they married in canada.Normally it would be place of Birth of Wife.Strange we cant find anywhere.Hopefully at some stage i need to get to Kew again.If i do i will check in the Nat Archives. Mike |
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| | | From: meagert | Sent: 5/19/2007 12:39 AM |
Kew Gardens in NY or Kew in England?
I can't figger the NB/PEI at all. Thomas Jr. seems to be the only one that left a trail.
On the 1851 Census, they say they arrived in 1835 to NB (or somewhere in the Colony) (Thomas Sr./Lydia) , and have two kids, Sarah, and Thomas Jr.
Nothing on the intertubes shows my Bowes' anywhere in PEI/NB or anyplace else in Canada, around these years or later.
There are TONS of Thomas Bowes', Johns,James, Edwards, etc, all from either England, Scotland,or Ireland.
Thomas Jr shows up in Castine Maine at an early age (16-17 or so) by himself apparently. He appears to work on the Deering farm, falls in love with one Elizabeth Quinn (a servant to the Deerings). She remarries within 3 years to another. Thomas Jr. makes off for Massachusetts, and never tells the correct place of birth on any census, his children mention Troy NY, and Castine on all their forms. Thomas naturalizes and says PEI....sheesh!!!! |
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| | | From: meagert | Sent: 7/16/2007 4:59 PM |
My "Genie-ologist" has discovered this:
Subject: Bowes baptism records in Nelson-Miramichi, NB �?St Patrick Catholic church.
Findings:
Sera Bowes On the same day I bapd Sera sixteen years old daughter of Ths
7 May 1848 and Letty Barnet. SS [sponsors] JS. Murphy and Mary Clark.
Thomas Bowes On the same day and year above I bapd Thomas nine years old son
4 June 1848 of Thos and Lidia Barnet. SS Thos and Onny Dooling
JS [James?] Bowes On the same day I bapd JS seven years old son of the above
4 June 1848 parents. SS Thos. Power and Johanna Shea
PS: There is a Lydia Barnet born in Bridington, Yorkshire, England in 1812 on familysearch. However, I do not know if it is the correct one. |
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