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From: MSN NicknameKath1een53  (Original Message)Sent: 4/16/2008 11:34 PM
Does anybody have this lady in their HAINES family research  She had her first child in 1898 in Qld and appeared to be known asWATSON at the time and also in 1900 at the birth of her 2nd child.  In 1902 she married Matthew O'BRIEN and with subsequent births declared her maiden name as HAINES.  It is believed she was still alive living in Brisbane around 1970.  I have been unable to find a death record for her.  Any assistance appreciated.


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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 4/16/2008 11:47 PM
Hi and Welcome one of our Managers will be in Touch to try and help on this Family
 
Mike

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From: MSN NicknameTempleSuz4Sent: 4/17/2008 4:54 PM
Well hello,
I just stuffed sending you information I found, timed out and wiped out.
Hi, I am Suzanne one of the less busy assistant managers here. I am in Queensland Australia so have been asked to help you in your search.
So here is what I have found and what data bases I have searched today:
 
Basically I found the child born 1900 under Watson name Vivian was first name. I couldn't find the one before him you made mention of.
I did find marriage details for Matthew and Elizabeth Janes wedding
Three more childrens births in the index for 1902,4 & 7.These were Matthew and Elizabeths. Perhaps more born after 1914 where Qld indexes online stop.
Using Ancestry I found Elizabeth & Matthew from 1903 to 1919. In 1925 Matthew may be in Cloncurry working as a labourer or dead. Not sure which. Unfortunately Qld don't give a place of death on their indexes on microfiche nor CD or even online.
 
In that same year I found two boys the oldest and second youngest on rolls having come of age to vote and still living in area.
In 1930 the boys are still in town as is mother and no sign of a wife for the boys yet that I can tell.
Last year of electoral rolls on Ancestry in 1936 have Elizabeth still there but only her youngest is enrolled there with her, rather in the town.
Also in this roll Vivian and possibly the oldest of Matthews boys is found in Kelvin Grove on the same street, different residence. Vivian is a labourer while the other son is a butcher.
 
Its possible Elizabeth went to live with one of the sons in her aging years.
 
If you are here in Australia you can check the electoral rolls in the local electoral office on their Intranet for the family members to see when Elizabeth last voted.
 
No family trees come up to check on Ancestry for Elizabeth or Matthew nor for any of the boys.
I checked Australian Archives, Queensland Archives, NSW bdm to see if I could discover if Elizabeth had married out of the state or if she has a sister who died in childbirth perhaps whose babes she took and registered as her own.
I checked LDS without any luck.
 
I will check when I open up the Family History Society on Monday if not earlier to see if our microfiche or CD BDM for Qld can give me more on the family for the marriages go further and so do the deaths.
I will get back to you as soon as I can.
Bye
Suzanne
 
If you have the marriage certificate then hopefully you will gain a heap of information for Queensland is one of the best for detail here.
I checked dead people society which is based at Toowoomba west of Brisbane but no mention of the members there either.
 

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 4/18/2008 12:39 AM
From: Kath1een53

Thank you very much for all this information - I will have a good look at it
 
Why I know about the first child (Dorothy May) is from talking with my friend about her Aunty Dolly.  John Hazel O'Brien (also reg as Watson and as well in his 1934 marriage rec so I'm thinking that must have been his legal name) was my friend's father.  I'd just like to work out the mystery of the Watson connection but she's not interested enough to get any certificates. 


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From: MSN NicknameTempleSuz4Sent: 4/18/2008 1:37 AM

1990 Electoral roll has the following:

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Division        Name                                         Address

Fadden        O’Brien Elizabeth Jane               37 Kankoona <st1:place w:st="on">St.</st1:place> Rochedale South 4210

Fadden          �?SPAN>            �?SPAN>               �?SPAN>                  <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">4 Sylvia Street</st1:address></st1:Street> Underwood  4119

 

 

I am at family history rooms as I type. Will send this and go look for the boys and Dorothy May now I have her name.

bye

Suzanne


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From: MSN NicknameTempleSuz4Sent: 4/18/2008 10:36 AM
Kathleen here is a bit more.
NOt sure if this Dorothy May is the one belonging to your friend's family but there is a marriage for Dorothy May O'Brien married Herbert William Clark on 25/5/1923Cert No. B032389.
 
There was also Dorothy May Watson who married Earle Johns on 26/10/1921. Cert. No.003188.
 
Vivian Percy O'Brien married Kathleen Elizabeth Miller on ?/7/1937.
Edward Joseph may be a problem for there are two marriages in same year.
first is 21/12/1938 to Pauline Ursula Brady Cert No. 004875
second on 3/9/1938 to Ruby Stella Smith  Cert No.BO32891.
 
Due to limited time today I did'nt get to look up John Hazel O'Brien/Watson in last lot of marriages.
John is known as O'Brien in electoral rolls but his birth was as Watson so I am assuming Matthew adopted him or he was their child but born prior to marriage when Elizabeth went by name Watson.
There is a third option that these two children are children of a family member of Elizabeth or Matthew. Could be a sister/inlaw died in child birth so the children were taken into this family automatically as often occurred when there was no mother figure to care for children.
 
Thats what I have for now. I hope it is enough for your friend. I am not sure you will ever know whose children they were.
I did however come across an Ellen Haines who married a Watson in same time frame so perhaps Elizabeth had a sister. Nothing to base this assumption on.
 
Okay, Will catch up with you all later
Suzanne 

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