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| | From: CuppaTea2 (Original Message) | Sent: 4/13/2008 12:30 PM |
I'm looking for information on the Galbraith family of Argyll Scotland. A friend is a descendant of David Stewart Galbraith (b 1782) and Elizabeth Fraser (b abt 1797) "of Machrihanish and Drumore House" according to what I have found in Burke's Landed Gentry.
I have the names but not all birthdates of their 15 children and know that at least three of the boys came to Australia in 1853 - Alfred Stewart Galbraith (my friend's gr-grandfather), Henry Louis Galbraith and Albert Stewart Galbraith.
I've read (A. I. B. Stewart, an article in The Magazine of the Kintyre Antiquarian & Natural History Society) that David Stewart Galbraith's land was "sequestered" in 1852 and his land was all lost. Any idea how I can find out what exactly this means and why it happened?
And I would really like to find out the dates of death for David Stewart Galbraith and his wife Elizabeth, and their place of burial.
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/22/2008 8:03 PM |
Hi Debbie To Access the record with restricted access you have to first write to The Registrar National Register of Archives for Scotland HM General Register House Princes Street Edinburgh EH1 3YY who will ask permission of the person to whom the collection belongs. Since the collection is in the keeping of the National Archives, I think, if permission was given, they would photocopy the record and send it to you. They normally tell you costs in advance and how to pay. However, I would hold off at the moment because one of the open records, which I'll look at when I get to Edinburgh is one dated 1825 David Stewart Galbraith v George MacNeal. For all we know, this may be to do with the same matter, since it is the same person. Teri |
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/23/2008 7:37 PM |
Hi Debbie I spent some time today in the Mitchell library here in Glasgow going through the sasines for Argyll. I found several entries for David Stewart Galbraith (or David Steuart Galbreath as it was recorded there!) dating form 1817 to 1852. My impression of it all, apart from buying properties for himself is that he bought and sold property. In 1817 he is described as a Writer, Edinburgh but by 1818 he is a Writer, Campbeltown. The term writer means an agent of the bank or underwriter as he is described in the documents in NAS, not an author. The term Factor Galbraith in AIB Stewart's article refers to his being a house factor as he rented out houses and land to tenants. I wont go through all the entries just the most relevant. June 11, 1817 D S Galbraith of Lochsannish acquired Dwelling Houses and garden at Lochen, on north west side of Saddell Street, Kirkmichael parish on disposition by Robert Stewart.. A separate entry fo 1817 shows acquisition of ground commonly called Lochsannish, comprising all the bounds of the siad loch, south of the Lochsannish Canal, Kilmichael and Kilkivan Parish. March 25 1818 records the purchase of 6 merkland of Machrishanish and the north part of piece of ground commonly called Lochsannish, comprising West Machrihanish, East Machrihanish, West Parkfergus, East Parkfergus and Langlands. In the next few years there's a lot of selling and buying of above lands plus the buying then selling of the Mains of Saddell extending to 4 merklands with the mill of Saddell , land of Ugadale, land of Plock, 2 merkland of Guesdill, 2 merkland of Iffernan and Kilmcihael, land of Bradifernan and 2 merklands of Ugadale with the Castle of Saddell. 7 merklands of Craigs and Barasammell, 3 merkland of Balllicreggan, lands of Colusca, Killean, 2 merkland of Moy and 4 mekrland of Drumoir (Drumore) To be honest there was so much toing and froing of these previous lands I really couldnt make out what he still had and what had been sold!! 28 August 1821 D S Galbraith of Machrihanish gets renunciation by Lieutenant Colonel John Porter of Knockbay, south part of ground known as Lochsannish and 6 merkland of Machrihanish 7 October 1824 record sees Daniel Galbreath, Officer of Excise, Arisaig obtaining on 21 September 1824, part of the merkland of Machrihanish in security of £500 on bond and disposition by David Stewart Galbraith of Machrihanish and Drumoir. Also in 1824 he obtained 3 merklands of Ballicreggan with quarries therof, 4 merklands of Drumoir including superiority lands of Snipefield. More to follow! Teri |
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/23/2008 8:02 PM |
Some more records: 23 October 1828, David Stewart Galbraith pbtaines Cowdenknows, land of Dalaruan and a pendicle of the 3 merkland of Ballicreggan contiang 14 acres, Moss rooms belonging to tthe tenements in Capbeltown, a piece of ground on the south side of Argyll Street, Campbeltown. More selling of some of previous acquisitions takes place in 1829. Then purchase of land s of dumore called Snipefield ( earlier bought and sould!0, 5 acres by the water to Campbeltown Milndam, near Kilmichael. Knockby land and house, Dalaruan land and houses. There is a lull in buying and selling till 24 February 1852: The Edinburgh and Glasgow Bank gets Assignation on 20th and 21st February by the Edinburgh and Leith Bank to Bond and Disposition for £5000 by Lockhart, Hunter and Whitehead as a company and Norman Lockhart, John Hunter Junior and John Whitehead as individual partners thereof by dispostion by D S Galbraith and his Trustees, May 12 and 13th 1843 and to the lands of Craigs and Barraskomill and others burdened therewith. July 24, 1852 The Edinburgh and Glasgow Bank gets Assignation of 3 merklands of Balligreggan and the Quarries and yard, vacant ground and 4 merklands of Drumoir by disposition by David Stewart Galbraith on 24 August 1848. You will see by last 2 entries that although sequestration did not take place till 1852 properties were already handed over in 1843 and 1848. Hope this is of use. Teri |
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/24/2008 2:29 PM |
Hi Debbie There are some good maps of Kintyre on this website Teri |
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/24/2008 7:52 PM |
Hi Debbie A little more for the tree: Children of Thomas B W Forster and Emma S Galbraith: Thomas Henry Burton Forster, born December 1850, Bath, Somerset Emma Judith Mary Forster, born March 1854, Bath, Somerset 1871 census has Thomas H B Forster as a student at the Military College, Sandhurst. Marriage Emma Judith Mary Forster married Samuel Hill S Lofthouse in June, 1884 in Bradford West, Wiltshire Death Emma Judith Mary Lofthouse, maiden surname Forster died June 1885 in Staines, Middlesex I cannot find Thomas H B Forster after 1881 census. I assume he embarked on his military career and could have gone anywhere. Teri |
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Hello Teri,
I see you have made some very good progress. I am a bit distracted today as we have had ANZAC (Australian & New Zealand Army Corp) Day today. For the first time in the 90 yrs, there was an official Australian war memorial ceremony in France. Till now, the overseas ceremony was conducted only at Gallipoli, Turkey, with the Prime Minister attending, and Australian children being taught that Gallipoli represents Australian character. But today, finally tens of thousands of Australian soldiers who died in France were given official recognition with a dawn service at Villers Bretonneux, where my Grandmother's brother Ambrose died aged 21. It was very moving to finally have Australian history corrected in the eyes of Australian youth.
So I will respond to the your good work tomorrow if you don't mind.
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Wow Teri, you've found so much good information I don't know where to start - probably I should start by thanking you for all looking up you have done at the Mitchell library.
Firstly, you have solved the question of David Galbraith's occupation. A I S Stewart called him a "writer or solicitor", because he had a 'writing room' in Campbelltown. But Burke's Landed Gentry records him as a Magistrate and Deputy Lieutenant of Argyllshire. The NAS as you say, says he was an Agent of the Commercial Banking Co. of Scotland. So you say writer means underwriter - that makes perfect sense.
The movements of land you've found are interesting. The one in 1824 to Daniel Galbraith would probably be to David's brother, and the other land he obtained in 1824 is the land referred to by A I S Stewart - "He owned the four markland of Drumore and the three markland of Ballegreggan in the immediate vicinity of Campbeltown and also the estate of Machrihanish". But the family were still living at Saddell and Skipness (Glensaddell?) when daughter Margaret was married in 1838. So all the details you've provided Teri are starting to give a picture of where and when the family bought property, and when they moved around.
On the sequestration, since David was already handing over land in the 1840's, could this "petition for sequestration" in 1838 be for David's own properties? -
RefNo: SC50/5/1838/1 Repository: National Archives of Scotland Title: David Stewart Galbreath of Machrihanish and Glensaddell v Hugh Barbour, tenant of Saddell Mains Date: 1838 Description: Petiton for sequestration. Process includes information on the building of a barn and cultivation of Pluck Point. Depositions of: [21 people listed here]
David wasn't living with the family in the 1841 census, so he may as you suggested earlier have separated from his wife by then. Elizabeth was living very well with 5 servants only 2 yrs before he parted with lands in 1843, and by the 1851 census, having lost Drumore House, she was living at Dalaruan House. From what you have found now, this seems to have been another family property. She seems to have maintained the lifestyle with a servant and cook, while estranged husband David lived in a lodging house. David & Elizabeth can't have divorced, as even in the 1851 census where she is using her maiden surname, she is called wife of D St Galbraith, Landed Proprieter.
It's not clear yet what caused the progressive loss of their lands. Was it extravagance on Elizabeth's part maybe, or maybe unwise investments on David's part? I had originally thought David had inherited his land, but Burke's Landed Gentry explains that those in the Landed Gentry were not first born sons who inherited family property, but were land owners because of their own efforts, and what you've found seems to show that.
It's looking very interesting Teri. Thank you for all you efforts.
Debbie
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Teri,
I had a look at the link you gave for the Kintyre maps, very handy thank you. The newsletter there had contact details for a local radio station, which could be useful for contacting to see if any descendants of David Galbraith's are still about, though most seem to have gone to England and Australia.
The children of Emma (Galbraith) and Thomas Forster are a good find thanks. I checked records for Victoria Australia for Thomas jnr in case he came here, but no luck.
David Stewart Galbraith jnr's marriage was at FreeBMD at Kensington in Dec 1865 (21/2 yrs after his father's second marriage) to Katharina Sophia Abraham. So that confirms again that David jnr came to Australia, and that it was definitely his wife who died over here.
Thank you again Teri for your very helpful work. Debbie
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/26/2008 7:30 PM |
Hi Debbie I did notice in the sasines for Argyll that there seemed to be several in 1851 and 1852 records that were banks taking back land from various people. I dont know if that points to some event that caused a downturn in people's fortunes or if it was a much more frequent occurence than you and i might imagine. I think, just like today, it would be very easy for people to overextend themselves and it might well be all the property dealings that caused David Stewart Galbraith to come unstuck. I think the papers in NAS will likely throw light on it. Teri |
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Hello Teri,
An Australian descendant of these Galbraiths is holidaying in Europe at the moment and may be visiting Scotland briefly very soon. I'd like to have David S Galbraith's death details to give her in case she is able to get to the New Register Office in Edinburgh (is that the right place to go?) for his death certificate. I have the date you found for his death of 28th December 1865, but I have just found online a different date which I'm hoping you may be able to check. It is only six months after his second marriage to Elizabeth Worth -
At googlebooks online, DEATH listed in the Gentleman's Magazine, Feb 1864 edition (which means the death would be in 1863) - Dec. 27. At Edinburgh, David Stuart Galbraith, esq., late of Machrihanish, and Drumore-house, Argyllshire, a Magistrate and D.L. for that county.
Is it possible there could have been a mistranscription of the year in the record you found? Since David's first wife Elizabeth Fraser/Galbraith's death couldn't be found, it means she is likely to have died before records were kept doesn't it, so no certificate would be available.
If I am able to contact the descendant before she goes to Scotland, what certificate(s) would you suggest are the most beneficial to get?
Debbie
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/28/2008 1:59 PM |
Hi Debbie Firstly, the National Library of Scotland has some really good maps, very old too. If you want to take a look you can find them here: Next, I have the image from the registers at GRO in Edinburgh of the death cert for David Stuart Galbraith. If you want to email me at [email protected] I will send it to you. When I go to the records office here in Glasgow, I access the records in Edinburgh as the computer system is linked through to GRO. I'll certainly do a check for you here in Glasgow for further records when I next visit on 12 May. I've already done a quick look through the Old Parish Registers (civil registration didnt begin till 1855) and have not found your Galbraiths as yet. This may well be because the Old Parish Records are Church of Scotland records and, as we know, your Galbraiths may have belonged to a different religious denomination. Certainly the original Stuarts (the royal line of the House of Stuart) were catholic. The spelling of Stewart as Stuart was because this line were originally french and in french there is no letter 'w'. You certainly might be able to translate the image of the death cert easier than I as the writing is poor. Cheers Teri |
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/28/2008 2:34 PM |
Debbie You'll find quite a bit on the House of Stuart here: The history of the clan Stewart here: and from Mike the clan Galbraith: Happy reading! Teri |
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/29/2008 1:57 PM |
Hi Debbie I've emailed the death certificate to you. I'm wondering if it would be worth your while checking with the catholic church in Campebeltown to see if they have any baptismal or marriage records for the Stewarts or Galbraiths. The churches details are as follows: <st1:place w:st="on"> Campbeltown | St Kieran | Sunday Masses | Vigil (Sat) 6:30 p.m.; 10:00 a.m. | Holyday of Obligation | 10:00 a.m.; 7:00 p.m. | Parish Priest | Rev Mushtaq Azad | | [email protected] | Phone | 01586 552160 | Address | St Kieran's, 6 St John Street, Campbeltown. PA28 6BQ. | </st1:place> I believe some copies of roman catholic records are held in NAS but they have never been indexed and no-one seems to know which parishes or records they cover. It's just possible the church itself will have the records and might be able to help. Cheers Teri |
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Hi Teri,
Thank you for the death certificate image, I have emailed you directly about it.
The link to the old maps at National Library of Scotland is very good. Individual properties can be identified in those maps, though I think Drumore house is just off the map of Campbeltown. Dalruan distillery is there, so Dalruan house will be nearby. I'll keep looking, I'm a bit slow with a dial-up connection.
Some good background in the Stewart and Galbraith clan pages thank you.
The only indications that the family may have been Catholic that I can think of are that David Galbraith's daughter Adelaide married in the Catholic church (maybe her husband was Catholic?) and the children of David's son Alfred in Australia were said to be Catholic when they were abandoned by their Irish mother (from Clare) and put in a Catholic children's home, but maybe their religion came from their mother. Is there anything else that indicates the family may have been Catholic that you can see Teri? We have christening dates for some of the children at Campbeltown, but no religious denomination mentioned. I just want to be sure of my grounds for asking the Campbeltown catholic priest to go to the trouble (if he is willing...) of looking into it. Do you think they will want money? I would have to ask the descendant if he wants me to pursue anything involving costs.
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| | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/30/2008 9:28 AM |
Hi Debbie No I cant be sure either about religion, apart from Adelaide being a pupil in a convent in Edinburgh (from 1851 census). This was prior to her marriage so it did make me wonder. The other thing, I feel we would find their marriages and baptisms in the old parish records, but so far I havent. Since the parish records here in the records office are Church of Scotland - the main religion at that time - then it would indicate another religion. However, I will spend time going through the parish records thoroughly at the records office to see if I can find them. Other than that, there's nothing definite on religion. Teri |
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