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| can anyone help me this is the infomation i have on my grandads side of the family and can not seem to get back any further that that or forward if anyone can help i would appreciate it my grandad being Henry aged 1 Births Sep 1899 (>99%) (Q4 July, Aug, Sep 1899)
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Jacobs Henry Charles St. Saviour 1d 43
The 1901 census you mentioned (the address actually looks more like LANT place)
1901 England Census Name: James Jacobs
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 8 Lant Place
Occupation: General Labourer
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 131
Household Members: Name Age
James Jacobs 37
Eliza Jacobs 37
Mary Ann Jacobs 13
George Jacobs 11
Emily Jacobs 7
Henry Jacobs 1
Victoria Jacobs 2 months many thanks Dee | |
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Hi Dee Here are the details of Elizabeth Durrant; Purkins (!) in the 1871 census: about Elizabeth Durrant; Purkins | Name: | <HLT>Elizabeth</HLT> <HLT>Durrant</HLT>; Purkins | | Age: | 7 | | Estimated Birth Year: | abt 1864 | | Relation: | Daughter | | Father's Name: | Daniel | | Mother's Name: | Sarah J | | Gender: | Female | | Where born: | <HLT>Poplar</HLT>, Middlesex, England | | | | Civil Parish: | St George | | Ecclesiastical parish: | St Jude | | County/Island: | London | | Country: | England | | | | Street address:
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Disability: | | | | | Registration district: | St Saviour Southwark | | Sub-registration district: | London Road | | ED, institution, or vessel: | 6 | | Neighbors: | View others on page | | Household schedule number: | 240 | | Household Members: | | | Elizabeth's father, Daniel, is recorded as being a general labourer and they are residing at 2 Smiths Place in the Civil Parish of St Georges, Borough of Southwark. Will now see what else I can find for you. Kay Manager | View
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Hi Dee I've now managed to find Daniel as a 15 year old on the 1851 census with his parents, John & Elizabeth: about Daniel Durrant | Name: | <HLT>Daniel</HLT> <HLT>Durrant</HLT> | | Age: | 16 | | Estimated Birth Year: | abt 1835 | | Relation: | Son | | Father's Name: | John | | Mother's Name: | Elizabeth | | Gender: | Male | | Where born: | Limehouse, Middlesex, England | | | | Civil Parish: | Stepney | | Ecclesiastical parish: | St Dunstan Stepney | | County/Island: | Middlesex | | Country: | England | | | | Street address:
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Disability: | | | | | Registration district: | Stepney | | Sub-registration district: | Ratcliff | | ED, institution, or vessel: | 9 | | Neighbors: | View others on page | | Household schedule number: | 125 | | Household Members: | | | Now, having achieved this information, which direction would you like me to take here - James Jacob's other children/marriages; Elizabeth Durrant's siblings, Daniel's siblings or any of them?? Let me know. Kay Manager | View
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I've found a marriage record Dee, which I would think is the correct one for Daniel Durrant and Sarah (Pettitt): On the basis this is the only one listed in the London area for a date which would fit with the birth of their first child (bearing in mind he was born before the marriage and this certainly was not unheard of then - as one might think) I'd say this is a good match. What's your thoughts? Kay Manager |
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Hmm, something has come to light now Dee that you will want to consider. I've found Sarah Jane Durrant, who I believe is Daniel's wife in the 1871 census with her children Sarah Jane (listed as Sarah J in the 1871) and Emily (8months in the 1871) but the father and husband is recorded as David, not Daniel. I've checked both images and the transcripts do look correct. My only thought is that the person filling the form on the night may have listed this incorrectly, or "possibly" Daniel died between 1871 and 1881 and Sarah married his brother - I have heard of this before - just something to consider. I will check for a death record for Daniel and a marriage for Sarah Jane but I'm not actually hopeful on this one. Naturally I'll put another message should I find something. You'll see from the details I've pasted below, there are three other children now listed, having been born between the two censuses - '71 and '81. about Emily Durrant | Name: | <HLT>Emily</HLT> <HLT>Durrant</HLT> | | Age: | 10 | | Estimated Birth Year: | abt 1871 | | Relation: | Daughter | | Father's Name: | David | | Mother's Name: | Sarah Jane | | Gender: | Female | | Where born: | <HLT>Southwark</HLT>, Middlesex, England | | | | Civil Parish: | Bromley St Leonard | | County/Island: | London | | Country: | England | | | | Street address: | 51 Venue Street | | Education:
Employment status: | | | Occupation: | Scholar | | | | Registration district: | Poplar | | Sub-registration district: | Bromley | | ED, institution, or vessel: | 32 | | Neighbors: | View others on page | | Household Members: | | | Will let you know if I find a death/marriage for the above as mentioned. Kay Manager | View
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I've checked death and marriages Dee - found nothing on Daniel but did find this: Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
| | Durrant | David Perkins | 55 | Poplar | 1c | 401 |  | I think this is certainly from the correct family because of the Perkins name - I think Purkins was a mistranscript in the 1871 and that leads me to think that Daniel/David are mistranscripts as well. Over to you for instructions of where you'd like me to go next! Kay Manager |
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Many thanks for all that info Kay i will digest it all now and get back to you, i really appreciate your help once again thank you and will message you soon. Dee x |
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You're welcome Dee. As you say, digest what you have and get back to me when you'd like me to search further for you. Kay Manager |
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Hi Kate yeah im back again lol, and i think i have lost the plot totally now lol. Got a few questions here not sure if you can help me without thinking i have totally lost it lol. I have spent the evening going through all the info you have sent me and it all seems to fit into place. So here goes About Elizabeth Durrant/Purkins/Perkins where dit the Perkings name arise or didnt i read it right? knowing me i didnt read it right. Also Sarah J married to Daniel Durrant is there a maiden name or any details of her parents, her birth, death etc. Also any details of John Durrant and Elizabeth birth marriage etc and parents. Also Mary Ann Robertson married to George Frederick Jacobs Mar 1860 in Shoreditch, any details on maiden name and parents etc. and jumping from there now to the Terrell side of the family lol, Annie Terrell married to Henry Terrell all i know is Annie was born in Cornwall so dont have a lot more to go on there. Im sorry to be a pain and probably asking to much of you but would be greatful of any help you could give me, you have helped me so much already i hate asking so if you could tell me where to look myself i will do this is where i am totally useless lol, but i do appreciate your help but will understand if i am asking to much of you. many thanks Dee x |
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Hi Dee Leave this with me and I will reply "properly" very soon - all being well later on today. Kay Manager |
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Now then Dee, firstly, about the Purkins/Perkins/Perkings name. I've found quite often that some children would be given their mother's maiden name for a first or second Christian name or even taking that name as a double-barrelled surname. I think this must be something along those lines but the transcriber couldn't read exactly which of the three it was! This is not unusual. Moreover, the person actually completing the census form may not have been able to read or write properly - quite usual for those times. So I think we have to assume either of these three spellings would be correct! Secondly, if you scroll back up a little you'll see the marriage record I found in 1861 for Daniel and Sarah J Pettitt. I've looked again to see if there are any other marriages witha Sarah J but nothing so am feeling this is the most likely. So far I've not had a lot of luck with finding Sarah J Pettitt on earlier census images but she must be there somewhere!! Will deal with your next couple of questions presently - check back if they don't appear below! Kay Manager |
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I'm finding it odd that I can't trace Sarah on the 1891 census but I have found a death record for her in 1892: Deaths Jun 1892 (>99%)
| | Durrant | Sarah Jane | 52 | Poplar | 1c | 417 |  | Will keep looking! Kay Manager |
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Hi again Dee I'm not coming up with too much at the moment for a marriage between John and Elizabeth but have discovered John was born c1806 in Suffolk and Elizabeth c1808 in Essex. If I can find more on these two I'll let you know. Kay Manager |
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Hi Kay many thanks for all your help once again its great you have now nearly got me back into the 1700's lol and thats a first for me im so pleased. Also thank you for pointing out the names Perkins and how they come about, and yes i did look back and did see what you had mentioned the marriage of Daniel & Sarah the stupid thing about it is when i was going through all the information i had looked at that at least a dozen times, but think the brain was getting a bit muddled by then, just as well there are people like you to help us thicko's lol i really do appreciate your help and i am hoping to visit my mum & dad in the next week or so and would be good if i can manage to piece this all together for them to see, and of course will tell them that i did not do it all on my own and did need a lot of help from you. best wishes Dee |
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Good Morning Dee No, you are not asking too much - this is what we are here for - to try and help people like yourself. I am still looking into things on here for you but regarding Henry Terrell, please see a new "thread" on the "T" board under TERRELL Henry on any information we can find regarding this ancestor. Remember to check all boards relating to your ancestors regularly - just in case! Best wishes. Kay Manager |
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