Hi Marion

hestory get more confusing a town called Whitegate (An Geata Ban) has cropped up through my son in Australia ,He is contacting the Joyce family reunion in Melbourne.

The interesting thing is that Whitegate was in Galway but now is in County Claire

Thh aust conection started with Edmund and Catherine Joyce. on Edmunds death Catherine took her family to Australia but part of family came to Uk. i would appreciate any info you can get

 Regards Barry

Hello Barry

 

Good to hear from you again.  We appreciate your support for the site!

 

Without looking it up, I certainly know of Whitegate in Co. Clare, and also Whitegate near Midleton in Co. Cork.  But I will check it out for you. 

 

Re Catherine's family who returned to the UK, if you would give me some names, birthdates and birth places, and an idea of when they came back from Australia, and where they settled in England, I will also check out the censuses for you.

 

Marian 

Have a look at this, Barry.  It might be helpful.

 

 

Whitegate is actually in County Clare, just near the border with County Galway, and on the west side of  Lough Derg.  It's actually at the most southerly end of County Galway.

 

Marian

 

 

 

Birth:  About 1833   , Galway, Ireland

Death:  1916   Rochester, Victoria, Australia
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARY MULHALL  

  Marriage:  1867, Victoria, Australia

 

 

1. MARY <JOYCE> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1875 Saint Marys Catholic, Echuca,
Victoria, Australia

 

 2. ROSE ALICE <JOYCE> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 SEP 1884 Saint Marys Catholic, Echuca,
Victoria, Australia

 

 3. CATHERINE <JOYCE> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUN 1875 Saint Marys Catholic, Echuca,
Victoria, Australia

Hi Barry 

 

I found a Michael Joyce in Whitegate listed in Griffiths Valuations:

 

 

 

 

At that time of course Whitegate was in Co. Galway.

 

Marian

 

 

MARY MULHALL    

Birth:  About 1846, Westmeath, Ireland  
  Death:  1923   Rochester, Victoria, Australia  
Marriages:
  Spouse:  EDMOND JOYCE  Family
  Marriage:  1867   , Victoria, Australia

 

 

Hi Barry

 

These are the Mulhall families listed in Griffiths Valuations around the time of Mary's birth.

 

Marian

 

Surname	First Name	Townland	Parish	County
Following are the exact matches:
Mulhall	Robert	Killogeen Aghan	Kilcleagh	Westmeath
Mulhall	John	Boyanagh (Earl)	Kilcleagh	Westmeath
Mulhall	Matthew	Lissakillen South	Bunown	Westmeath

 

 

Matthew MULHALL married Margaret COGHLAN. Children known: Mary MULHALL born 1847 Anne MULHALL born abt 1851 I believe Matthew might be the Matthew MULHALL listed in the Griffiths Valuations living a Lissakillen South, Bunown, County Westmeath in 1854.

 

 

 

 

 

 

PATT JOYCE 
 Birth:  13 JAN 1865   0466, Clonbur, Galway, Ireland
 Parents:
   Father:  EDMOND JOYCE  

   Mother:  CATHERINE CARNEY

Barry, I presume you have seen this site?

 

 

Marian

 

 

 

 

Michael, Sen Joyce Lakyle Clonrush Scarriff

Michael, Jun Joyce Lakyle Clonrush Scarriff

(Whitegate is right beside Clonrush)


1901 Census of Clare
District Electoral Division: Drummaan
Whitegate Town
(The town of Whitegate stands on the townlands of Lakyle and Whitegate.)
DED Number: 132/36



Lucas William Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 35 Male Farmer
Married Co. Westmeath

Lucas Lizzie Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 32 Female Dressmaker Married
Co. Clare

Lucas Joseph Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 6 Male Scholar Not Married Co.
Clare

Lucas John Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 2 Male
 Not Married Co. Clare

Lucas Walter Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 10 mths Male
 Not Married Co. Clare

Joyce Mary Mother-in-law Roman Catholic Read-Write 60 Female

So Daughter was Elizabeth Joyce b 1869,Married William Lucas

Mother b 1831

 

 

 

 

 

 

ELIZABETH ALICE JOYCE
 Birth:  About 1875   Of White Gate,Limerick, , Clare, Ireland

Marriages:
  Spouse:  WILLIAM LUCAS

 

Lucas William Head of Family Roman Catholic Read-Write 35 Male Farmer
Married Co. Westmeath

Lucas Lizzie Wife Roman Catholic Read-Write 32 Female Dressmaker Married
Co. Clare

Lucas Joseph Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 6 Male Scholar Not Married Co.
Clare

Lucas John Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 2 Male
 Not Married Co. Clare

Lucas Walter Son Roman Catholic Cannot Read 10 mths Male
 Not Married Co. Clare

Joyce Mary Mother-in-law Roman Catholic Read-Write 60 Female

Barry - Mike has found a descendant of Elizabeth Joyce of Whitegate, who married William Lucas.  She is descended from William Bertram Joyce Lucas, one of William Lucas' sons.  It might be worth contacting this lady:

[email protected]  [joanne]

ID: I14739
Name: John William Bertram Joyce Lucas
Sex: M
Birth: Abt 1897 in Whitegate, Limerick, County Clare, Ireland.
Death: 1971/1981

Father: William Lucas
Mother: Elizabeth Alice Joyce

Marriage 1 Olive Jane Crowe b: 5 OCT 1893 in Lower Hutt,New Zealand


Elizabeth's mother was Mary Joyce b 1831 in Whitegate.  It looks like
this side of family also went down under to New Zealand or Oz, as William
married in New Zealand.  He may have been a sister or cousin of Edmund.

There were not many Joyces living in Whitegate around
that time.

Marian

 

 

 

Hi Barry

 

Last message!  This is Joanne's site.

 

Marian (assisting Mike)