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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKate  (Original Message)Sent: 7/6/2007 12:43 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameWinchester1512</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 2007/07/05 07:33 PM

Hello,

I am searching for information on the Edward Kingsley family in Templemore, Co Tipperary in the 1840s. In Pigot’s Directory and Griffith’s Valuations an Edward Kingsley is listed as a surgeon there during this time and I believe he is probably my g-grandmother Fanny (Frances) Kingsley’s father. 

I have a death record stating that her sister Lizzie (who was married to a doctor) was born in 1848 in Templemore and I’m guessing that at least some of the other Kingsley children were born there also.  Since civil birth records weren’t recorded until 1864, is there a way to trace earlier events?  I have reason to believe they were probably Church of Ireland and I have been told that these records are spotty at best.

Thanks so much for the kind offers of help.

Carole


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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 4:16 PM
Carol This site Has A picture And Information Of A William Kingsley From Tipperary.Now On him  I really dont know where he fits in.But as only the one Family In Tipperary He has to be Linked
 
 
Mike

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 4:27 PM
Now Carol I hope this Is all being Taken in Marian Is Related To The Minnitt Family
Here Is another Mary Daughter Of Nicholas
 
Mary Kingsley Pedigree
  Female   Family

Event(s):
Birth: 
About 1784   Of, Annaghbeg, Tipperary, Ireland
Christening: 
Death: 
1852  
Burial: 

Parents:
  Father:  Nicholas Toler Kingsley Family

Marriages:
  Spouse:  Joshua Minnitt Family
  Marriage: 
1805  

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 Message 15 of 27 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 5:30 PM
I have Added These Incase You Find any Mistakes
Mike
Samuel Cleburne Father Richard Cleburne And Elizabeth KINGSLEY
Spouse Mary Kinksley Marriage 1786 Killaloe Diocese, , Tipperary, Ireland
Elizabeth Kingsley Born 1731 Killaloe Diocese, , Tipperary, Ireland
Father Samuel Kingsley
Mary Kingsley Birth 1784 Annaghbeg, Tipperary, Ireland
 Death:  1852  Father Nicholas Toler Kingsley
Married Joshua Minnit Marriage 1805
Susan Kingsley Birth 1722  Killaloe Diocese, , Tipperary, Ireland
Father Samuel Kingsley
Ursula Kingsley   Birth 1779   Ballyhogan, , Tipperary, Ireland
Father James Kingsley Mother Ursula Mellsop
Dora Kingsley  Birth:  06 MAR 1875   , Tipperary, Ireland
Father:  Samuel Kingsley  Family
  Mother:  Susanna McFarren 
Frances Kingsley   Birth:  About 1791   Of Ballykinsmican, , Tipperary, Ireland
 Death:  02 JAN 1878   Nenagh, Tipperary, Ireland
Father William Kingsley
Married James Wolfe
Marriage:  24 APR 1823   Nenagh, Tipperary, Ireland
Jane Kingsley  Birth:  22 JAN 1864   0560, Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland
Parents:
  Father:  JOSEPH KINGSLEY  Family
  Mother:  ANNE CONDON 
Eleanor KINGSLEY Birth 1749
Spouse William Cleburne
Marriage:  1787   Killaloe Diocese, , Tipperary, Ireland
William Henry Bell Kingsley
 Birth:  28 AUG 1835   Riverview,Nigh, , Tipperary, Ireland
 Death:  30 OCT 1901 
Father:  James Kingsley  Family
  Mother:  Eliza Adamson
Ursula KINGSLEY
Spouse:  Nicholas MAUNSELL
Marriage:  1813   Killaloe Diocese, , Tipperary, Ireland
 
Margaret Kingsley 
 Birth:  1779
pouse:  Michael MARTIN 
Marriage:  < 1800>   <Ballyhogan, , Tipperary, Ireland>
Eleanor KINGSLEY
 Birth:  1799   
  Spouse:  William GRAY  Family
  Marriage:  1822   Killaloe Diocese, Tipperary, Tipperary, Ireland
Susan KINGSLEY
 Birth:  < 1722>   
 Spouse:  Richard POE  Family
  Marriage:  11 JUN 1743   Killaloe Diocese, , Tipperary, Ireland
Charles KINGSLEYSpouse:  Maria Russell
 Marriage:  1829   Killaloe Diocese, , Tipperary, Ireland
Elizabeth Kingsley
Birth:  18 SEP 1784   <Annaghbeg, , Tipperary, Ireland>
  Death:  24 OCT 1852
 Nicholas TOLER KINGSLEY
 Birth:  < 1743>   Ballyhogan, , Tipperary, Ireland
 Father:  James KINGSLEY  Family
  Mother:  Eleanor TOLER
JOHN KINGSLEY
Christening:  1828   Modreeny, Tipperary, Ireland
  Father:  JOHN KINGSLEY  Family
  Mother:  ANNE EVENS
THOMAS KINGSLEY
 Birth:  17 MAY 1867   , Tipperary, Ireland
 Father:  JOSEPH KINGSLEY  Family
  Mother:  ANNE CONDON
Anne Kingsley
 Birth:  16 APR 1873   , Tipperary, Ireland
  Father:  Joseph Kingsley  Family
  Mother:  Anne Condon 

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From: MSN NicknameWinchester1512Sent: 7/15/2007 8:30 PM
Mike - Thank you all so very much for the great info.  I have been away from home (and my computer) so was unable to reply sooner.  It will take me a little while to sort all this out but I think it must be my Kingsley family.  Could you clarify your reference to Lds.  I am not familiar with this unless you mean Mormon records of some sort?
 
The only other information I have about this family is that my g-grandmother's name was Frances Georgina Kingsley, that she married Edgar De Burgh Norman, and that she had the first of her four children  in 1867 in Seefin (near Birr), Co Offaly where Edgar Norman was the Station Master. I'm assuming they were married a year or two before this but can't find a marriage record.  According to my grandmother Elizabeth, their youngest child,  they both died around 1881.  Frances had several sisters, the only one of whom I have any info on (from her DC) was Lizzie Eugenie Kingsley, b. 1848 in Templemore.  She married an Englishman, Dr. Joshua Stallard, and came with him to San Francisco where they lived until her death in 1892.
I will carefully study the information you provided. My hope is that I can find the identity of Frances and Lizzie's mother as well as establishing that their father was indeed Edward Kingsley.
 
Again, many thanks.
 
Carole

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 Message 17 of 27 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 8:59 PM
Hi Carol, i Know I made a few Mistakes But I have tracked Most Of the FAMILY
The Lds is the Morman Site.I know That it Will take time Running through.But It does Look like The Complete Family.ITS just time resorting it,Thats why i added the Ones In case of Mistakes.If you Go on Lds I can See one i definately know i Did.But hopefully you can correct.You may be a distant Relative of Marian on this Site Via the Minnitt one.
I will check out your other ones to see what i can find for you.Well Our Managers will Help im sure
 
Mike

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 9:00 PM
carol This Is The Mormon Site
 

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 9:09 PM
NORMAN Pedigree
  Female    
   
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Event(s):
 Birth:  07 SEP 1865   0636, Parsonstown, Offaly, Ireland
 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   
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Parents:
  Father:  EDGAR DEBURGH NORMAN  Family
  Mother:  FANNY GEORGINA KINGSLEY 
 
 
KINGSLEY NORMAN Pedigree
  Male    
   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
 Birth:  14 APR 1867   , Offaly, Ireland
 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   
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Parents:
  Father:  EDGAR DEBURGH NORMAN  Family
  Mother:  FANNY GEORGINA KINGSLEY

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 9:29 PM
EDGAR DEBURGH NORMAN Pedigree
  Male    
   
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Event(s):
 Birth:  14 JAN 1867   0664, Parsonstown, Offaly, Ireland
 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   
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Parents:
  Father:  EDGAR DEBURGH NORMAN  Family
  Mother:  FANNY GEORGIANA KINSLEY 
 
WILLIAM HENRY NORMAN Pedigree
  Male    
   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
 Birth:  21 APR 1871   , Offaly, Ireland
 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
  Father:  EDGAN NORMAN  Family
  Mother:  FANNY KINGSLY 
 
ISABEL MATILDA NORMAN Pedigree
  Female    
   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
 Birth:  26 MAY 1869   , Offaly, Ireland
 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   
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Parents:
  Father:  EDGAN DOBURGH NORMAN  Family
  Mother:  FANNY GEORGINA KINGSLEY    
   
 

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/15/2007 9:31 PM
Carol These Are The Family But Ignore Spelling of Surnames Its The Submitters Fault On how They Read info
 
Mike

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 7/16/2007 2:20 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameWinchester1512</NOBR>  in response to Message 1 Sent: 2007/07/16 01:47 AM

Hi again Mike

This latest info is so very helpful.  I am familiar with the FamilySearch site but failed to make the connection with your reference �?sorry, dumb of me.  I had completely missed this birth record:  07 SEP 1865 Parsonstown, Offaly  Father:  EDGAR DEBURGH NORMAN   Mother:  FANNY GEORGINA KINGSLEY, and so had my mother who began our search many years ago. We always thought Edgar Jr. was Fanny and Edgar’s first child. Perhaps this little girl didn’t survive. Anyway, now I know to look in the earlier indexes for a marriage record.

Many thanks!

Carole   


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 Message 24 of 27 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/16/2007 7:58 AM
Hi Carol Just one thing,If you can Find the parish church,You can always Contact them and Ask for a Baptismal Record Or a Marriage cert.This would Clarify the Parents,Or at least one On either side.Normally if You offer the Priest a Few Euro's.They are willing To help.Ok you do get Odd one.But in your Case i feel,You really need to Get hold of one.
Alternative Is to Contact The Gro[General registers Office]There is a link On Our site you can use.It will give Details of Costs.Again only About 11 Euro.So think About it.
 
Mike

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/16/2007 9:55 AM
Hi Carol,I have checked out Parsonstown Offaly It comes under the Parish of Birr,Now i have added some info on here for you,there is an e mail Address so hopefully you can make contact
after seing the section on parsonstown,yes i do believe it is the correct family line.As all the Kingsleys Originated from Tipperary area.EITHER WAY IF YOU CONTACT via the e mail they should be able to give you the correct parish priest
Mike
 
Parochial registers of Birr, 1838-1880. (R.C.) The Catholic Parish of Birr includes the civil parishes of Birr, which is often called Parsonstown, in county Offaly and Loughkeen in county Tipperary. Baptisms and marriages, 1838-1880. 9
This comes under the Killaloe Diocese
Catholic Diocese of Killaloe
Killaloe Diocesan Office, Westbourne,
Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland
Tel: 065-6828638       Fax: 065-6842538       Email: [email protected]
  The Diocese of Killaloe is the second largest diocese in Ireland, comprises the greater part of County Clare, a large portion of Tipperary, and parts of Offaly, Laois, Limerick stretching from Birr Parish in the north of the diocese,to Toomevera Parish in the East and to Carrigaholt Parish in the south of the diocese.There are 58 parishes in the diocese served by 133 priests and a population of 114,000 approx

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/16/2007 2:46 PM
Carol Have you Ever Heard of a John De Burgh Norman.He is an Author.Of Medical Books,There are two books for Sale On the Amazon site
Mike
 
Color Atlas and Text of the Salivary Glands by John Edgar De Burgh Norman and M. McGurk (Hardcover - Sep 1995)
Textbook and Colour Atlas of the Temporomandibular Joint: Diseases, Disorders, Surgery by John Edgar De Burgh Norman and Peter Bramley (Hardcover - Dec 1989)
 

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 7/16/2007 2:55 PM
Carol There are two children born in uk to a Joshua Stallard and Elizabeth
 
1. JOHN STALLARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 FEB 1828 Avenbury, Hereford, England
<INPUT onclick=onClickRecord(this) type=checkbox value="100435852658*2*CAROLINE STALLARD*Gender: Female Christening: 12 MAR 1830 Tonbridge, Kent, England" name=r1-2> 2. CAROLINE STALLARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 MAR 1830 Tonbridge, Kent, England

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