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Message 1 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat (Original Message)

Sent: 10/28/2007 7:15 PM

From: <NOBR>

mikemary7</NOBR> (Original Message)

Sent: 28/10/2007 17:14

I am looking for a member of my family called KEENAN MARTIN born 1830 in kerry Irland. He came to live in pontypool south wales then had a son also named KEENAN MARTIN who was born in pontypool in 1871,who I know all about.It is MARTIN KEENAN who was born in Irland that i can't find anything about.I found MARTIN KEENANin the 1901cencus. Iwould be thankfull for any help that you could give me mike

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Message 10 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 12:11 AM

Having found Ann (Keenan) and Michael's siblings in the 1891 census recorded as widow, I've found the following death record for Martin:

Deaths Dec 1881 (>99%)
Keenan	Martin	50	Pontypool	11a	96

I will follow up (tomorrow) with the rest of the family I have found with Ann in the 1891.

Check back soon!

Kay

Manager

Message 11 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 1:40 PM

Hello again Mike

I am trying to work through the children, one at a time, so this is slightly jumping ahead here but Marian has been kind enough to find the death record of Ann (Martin's widow), as follows:

Deaths Jun 1914 (>99%)
Keenan	Ann	73	Pontypool	11a	197

You will probably want to add this to your information.

I will add below, shortly, what I can find on the rest of the family.

Kay

Manager

Message 12 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 1:57 PM

The next child I've located is Thomas. In the 1891 census he is single and living with Ann and recorded as "Labourer in Ironworks".

By the 1901 census I have found Thomas with his wife Jane but recorded as "Coal Miner Hewer". On the basis I can find no death record for Thomas I would say this is the correct person and have gone on to locate a marriage for Thomas & Jane Jones as follows:

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

Jones

Jane

Neath

11a

1323

Keenan

Thomas

Neath

11a

1323

No children are mentioned in the 1901 census (despite there being a Rose Ann Keenan age 13 who is recorded as "visitor").

Children of Thomas & Jane would appear (hopefully) in the 1911 census.

Kay

Manager

Message 13 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 9:31 PM

In 1898 Ellen Keenan was still living with her mother Ann, and family. Then I have found a marriage record as follows:

Marriages Mar 1892

Keenan	Ellen		Pontypool	11a	193
Molloy	Patrick Joseph		Pontypool	11a	193

This has then enabled me to locate her on the 1901 census as follows:

Patrick J Molloy b: 1861 Mayo, Ireland - Head - Sheet Iron Worker

Ellen Molloy b: 1865 Pontypool - Wife

Eva G b: 1893 Pontypool - Daughter

Michael A b: 1894 Pontypool - Son

Teresa b: 1896 Pontypool - Daughter

Stanley b: 1898 Neath, Glamorgan - Son

Dora b: 1900 Neath, Glamorgan - Daughter

Bernard b: 1900 Neath, Glamorgan - Daughter

The residence is 4 Cecil Street, Neath.

Message 14 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 9:47 PM

Based on the above, here is what I have found on birth records for the Molloy children:

Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
Molloy	Eva Geraldine		Pontypool	11a	161

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)

Molloy Michael Austin Pontypool 11a 166

Births Dec 1895 (>99%)

Molloy Annie Teresa Pontypool 11a 139

(NB: No Teresa found but not uncommon for middle names to be used instead of first Christian names).

Births Jun 1897 (>99%)

Molloy Joseph Stanley Neath 11a 869

I feel this is another example of a middle name being used.

Births Jun 1899 (>99%)

Molloy Dorothy Ellen Neath 11a 875

Again, no Dora found but feel this is probably correct.

Alas, I can't find a record for the birth of Bernard - have checked all records I can think of for the relevant period with the surname of Molloy and then for just Christian name of Bernard - but I'm afraid nothing coming up.

Kay

Manager

Message 15 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 10:19 PM

On to John Keenan. He married Eliza Cooper and here's the marriage record:

Marriages Sep 1884

COOPER

Eliza

Pontypool

11a

211

KEENAN

John

Pontypool

11a

211

In the 1901 census they are residing at "Lower Race" in Panteg with their children as follows:

Edward John b: 1886 Pontypool - son

Thomas b: 1889 Pontypool - son

Albert b: 1892 Pontypool - son

Eliza b: 1894 Pontypool - daughter

Ralph b: 1895 Pontypool - son

Joph b: 1898 Pontypool - son

So I've looked for the birth records and found as follows:

Births Sep 1885 (>99%)
Keenan	Edward John		Pontypool	11a	145

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
Keenan	Thomas		Pontypool	11a	128

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
Keenan	Albert		Pontypool	11a	145

Births Jun 1893 (>99%)
Keenan	Eliza		Pontypool	11a	171

Births Mar 1895 (>99%)
Keenan	Ralph		Pontypool	11a	162

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Keenan	Joseph		Pontypool	11a	159

Kay

Manager

Message 16 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 10:47 PM

The daughters are proving more tricky to find!

Margaret Keenan appears in the 1891 census as a servant in Blackburn with Edward Cross and his newphew, William. However, no mention of her in the 1901 so I'm assuming she has either died or married and would show under a different name.

No death records that actually fit, so have searched for marriages and there are several but alas despite having various surnames to look under, I can't pinpoint her (under a married name) in the 1901.

Now regarding Mary Keenan. She appears in the 1891 census as servant in Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire to the head of the household, Thomas Jones.

However with no mention of her under Keenan in the 1901 I've again assumed she had married and the marriage record I have come up with and that fits with who I can find on the 1901 census is as follows:

Marriages Jun 1892

Hughes	Robert		Newport, M.	11a	327
Keenan	Mary		Newport M.	11a	327

Therefore with this information here's what I found in the 1901 census:

Robert Hughes b: 1865 Credpok, Glamorgan - Head - Invalid

Mary Hughs b: 1862 Pontypool - Wife

William b: 1893 Buglam, Glamorgan - Son

Elizabeth A b: 1895 MO Pontypool - Daughter

Govenory b: 1897 Baglan Higher, Glamorgan - Daughter

Robert b: 1900 Baglan Higher, Glamorgan - Son

Regarding Catherine Keenan - she is proving very elusive! She doesn't appear on any census images after 1871, that I can find, so I am guessing she either died - but I can find no death record that fits, or married somewhere other than in Wales. I really wanted to find her on the 1881 or 1891 census to give an indication of where she may be living in the hope of finding a suitable marriage record but so far to no avail. I seem to be beaten on this ancestor.

Kay

Manager

Message 17 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 10:49 PM

Now just to add a little more mystery to the proceedings (!) I have found on the 1881 census Martin & Ann had other children, mentioned earlier but not yet traced. These are:

Agnes b: 1875 Pontypool;

Annie b: 1874 Pontypool;

Martin b: 1872 Pontypool and

Teresa b: 1878 Pontypool.

I will now see if I can throw any light on these children.

See below if I find more information.

Kay

Manager

Message 18 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 11:06 PM

In 1891 Agnes Keenan is residing in Lancaster as servant to a Robert Hothersall. I've found a marriage record for an Agnes Keenan in Lancaster as follows:

Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
Bell	William	Lancaster	8e	884
Cranston	Charles	Lancaster	8e	884
KEENAN	Agnes	Lancaster	8e	884
ROBINSON	Elizabeth	Lancaster	8e	884

Now usually I'd expect to be able to find her and her husband/family on the 1901 census bearing in mind it should be one or the other men above. However, I've come up with nothing so have to assume she has either died (but no death record forthcoming for either surname as above) or the details have been mistranscribed somewhere.

Kay

Manager

Message 19 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 11:12 PM

In the 1891 census Annie Keenan is living with her brother, Michael and his wife Mary (and their son Martin), as mentioned earlier.

I found the following marriage record which fits:

Marriages Mar 1898

Keenan

Annie

Neath

11a

958

WELLS

Thomas

Neath

11a

958

And on the 1901 census I find Thomas Wells was born c1875 in Pontypool and recorded as "Labourer at Ironworks".

Annie & Thomas have a son at this time - Thomas M Wells b: 1900 Pontypool - here is the birth record:

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
Wells	Thomas Martin		Pontypool	11a	155

Kay

Manager

Message 20 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 11:19 PM

I can't find Martin Keenan in the 1891 census but he's shown up on the 1901 with his wife, Johanna b: 1868 Pontypool.

This is their marriage record:

Marriages Mar 1893

Harnett	Johanna		Pontypool	11a	187
Keenan	Martin		Pontypool	11a	187

On the 1901 census they have four children:

Maggie b: 1893 Pontypool

Agnes b: 1894 Pontypool

Mary M b: 1897 Pontypool

William b: 1899 Pontypool

Birth records as follows:

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Keenan	Margaret		Pontypool	11a	150

Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
Keenan	Agnes		Pontypool	11a	141

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Keenan	Mary Maud		Pontypool	11a	155

Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
KEENAN	William		Pontypool	11a	149

Kay

Manager

Message 21 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 11:22 PM

The only information I can find on Teresa is that in the 1901 census she is showing as as visitor with James & Alice Chen in Gargrave, Yorkshire.

I have found a marriage record in 1907 in Chorlton, Lancashire, but have no proof to confirm this is correct.

Kay

Manager

Message 22 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/2/2007 11:25 PM

Mike, I feel I've given you rather a lot to digest here on your Keenan ancestors! I hope what I've located is of help to you. Perhaps you will read through to see what there is and then let me know if/how I can help further. More than happy to search on anything more that you would like.

Kay

Manager

Message 23 of 24 in Discussion

From:

mikemary7

Sent: 11/4/2007 8:00 PM

Hi Kay, I would like to thank you for all the assistance you have given me, as you said there is a lot to digest .Iwould also like to say what a great site without you i would have not gone this far.I will digest it and get backif needed.

kind regards mike

Message 24 of 24 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 11/4/2007 8:06 PM

Hi Mike

Very many thanks for your kind comments. It's always a pleasure to help people research their ancestors and find information perhaps they are stuck with. Yes, do please feel free to come back to us if there is more we can help you with.

Best wishes.

Kay

Manager

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