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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961  (Original Message)Sent: 4/11/2008 1:37 PM
Hi I'm trying to find a birth for JOHN KIRK what info I do have is  born app 1831 Belfast Ireland his parents are JOHN KIRK blockcutter & HELEN CONNELL. I know John jnr moved to Scotland sometime before 1855 he married  Isabella Henry in Scotland I have all the info for the marriage and children I'm just trying to find his birth or info on his parents any help appreciated
Lee


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From: MSN NicknameTeri48Sent: 4/12/2008 8:29 AM
Hi Lee
I've often found Helen and Ellen to be interchangeable in the records so I think Ellen is probably just a variation of Helen.   These are the other children born to John and Ellen in Carnmoney:
 
William, born 8 November, 1823
Rachel, born 6 September 1827
Mary, born 6 August 1829
Andrew, born 1 September 1833
 
 
Teri

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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961Sent: 4/12/2008 8:31 AM
Thankyou very much Teri
Lee

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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961Sent: 4/12/2008 8:44 AM
Hi Teri had alook at the IFHF site to see if I could get a record of baptisum but the only 1 that shows up is 1832 is Co.Down
Lee

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From: MSN NicknameTeri48Sent: 4/12/2008 8:59 AM
Hi Lee
I did find only one Kirk born in Belfast around the same time period:
William Kirk christened 13 March 1823, parents John Kirk and Ellen Gardner
 
I also had a look at Emerald Ancestors but no luck there either.
Teri

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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961Sent: 4/12/2008 9:16 AM
Hi Teri had another look at the marriage I have for John Kirk & Isabella Henry and his mum's name on it says Helen Mc Connel so I have 2 different spellings for the last name thanks again
Lee

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From: MSN NicknameTeri48Sent: 4/14/2008 7:13 PM
Hi Lee
Just to say, I havent forgotten about you. It's just I havent found anything more as yet but am still looking.
Teri

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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961Sent: 4/15/2008 1:31 AM
Hi Teri no problem not in any hurry thanks
Lee

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From: MSN NicknameTeri48Sent: 4/17/2008 2:01 PM
Hi Lee
I deleted the previous message as I was looking at the wrong Kirk family - I had a bad day yesterday!!  Anyway, I'm still searching in the Belfast area and found this John Kirk in the Belfast Street Directory for 1843:
 
Kirk, John, 13 North Thomas Street.
 
In Griffith Valuation which took place in Belfast in 1860 there are 2 John Kirks listed:
 
Tenant
Family Name 1 KIRK
Forename 1 JOHN
Landlord
Family Name 2 O'NEILL
Forename 2 CORNELIUS
Location
County ANTRIM
Barony BELFAST, UPPER
Union BELFAST
Parish SHANKILL
Townland TOWNPARKS
Place Type OTHER
Publication Details
Position on Page 21
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number
Map Reference 150
 
 
 
Tenant
Family Name 1 KIRK
Forename 1 JOHN
Landlord
Family Name 2 COATES
Forename 2 WILLIAM
Location
County ANTRIM
Barony BELFAST, UPPER
Union BELFAST
Parish SHANKILL
Townland EDENDERRY
Place Type OTHER
Publication Details
Position on Page 18
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number
Map Reference 15,16

I feel from these that the Carmoney records I copied to you are for another Kirk family so will concentrate my search within Belfast.
 
Cheers
Teri

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From: MSN NicknameTeri48Sent: 4/17/2008 2:08 PM
Lee
Mike found this posting on Rootsweb re a John Kirk born Belfast:
 
 
Name: John KIRK
Surname: Kirk
Given Name: John
Sex: M
Birth: 6 Sep 1866 in Belfast Ireland
_UID: 9AC6A9D288BC9D489CC9A09DCCD5F7CE0CDB
Change Date: 25 Apr 2005 at 00:00:00

Father: Daniel KIRK b: 1844 in of Belfast Ireland
Mother: Sarah NOBLE b: 1845 in of Belfast Ireland & Victoria Australia

MURRAYS AND RELATIONS FROM SELKIRKSHIRE
Entries: 795    Updated: 2005-11-05 14:33:01 UTC (Sat)    Contact:
ALEXANDRINA NOBLE MURRAY alexandrinasgmail.com
 
I know it isnt your John but a generation younger than him, however, it may well be worth your while making contact in case they are related in some way.
Cheers
Teri

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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961Sent: 4/18/2008 2:57 AM
Hi Teri thanks for the info I have double checked the marriage for John KIRK and Isabella HENRY they married in Kirkintollch (think that's right spelling) Scotland in 1855 it states birth & rego for John KIRK 1832 Belfast Ireland also have copy of their daughter Margaret KIRK's birth she was born 1855 same place as marriage it states father John KIRK born 1832 Belfast also have John's death 1892 Scotland father John Kirk mum Helen CONNELL but marriage has mum's name different Helen Mc CONNEL also looks abit like Mc GRAND but I'd say Connel as that's whats on the death I suppose these people never thought we would like to know about them so they never bothered to make it easy for us many thanks
Lee

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From: MSN NicknameTeri48Sent: 4/22/2008 7:35 PM
Hi Lee
Sorry it's taken a while to get back to you.  Mike and I have both been searching for birth of John Kirk, Belfast.  Mike found one born 1832 in Killinchy Co Down but father's name was James.  However I'm beginning to think maybe the original one, born in Carnmoney could be the right one.  I wasnt too sure where in Antrim Carnmoney was, but it seems to be just on the outskirts of Belfast.
 
Was John Presbyterian? I think I noticed in his marriage record that he was married in  the Presbyterian Church in Kirkintilloch.  If so, it might be worth your while contacting Carnmoney Presbyterian Church about the 1832 birth.  They may be able to confirm if this is the correct family as the record only gave the mother's name as Ellen.  The church has a website

http://www.carnmoney.org/home_page.php
 and there is a contact email address.
Cheers
Teri

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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961Sent: 4/23/2008 6:11 AM
Thankyou Teri will email them and see how I go thankyou very much your help as been greatly appreciated
Lee

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From: MSN NicknameTeri48Sent: 4/23/2008 3:35 PM
Lee, I do hope Carnmoney Presbyterian Church have some good news for you. This was the John Kirk that Mike found in lds records:
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:  12 FEB 1832   Presbyterian,Killinchy, , Down, Ireland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
  Father:  JAS KIRK
 
Also, Marian did a search on Wikipedia for Carnmoney. This is what she found:

Carnmoney (Carn Monaidh in Irish, 'cairn of the bog') an ancient village in County Antrim, Northern Ireland, it has now been subsumed into a suburb of Belfast. It is situated 7 miles from Belfast city centre. It is within the Newtownabbey Borough Council area.

Carnmoney is known locally for its large Cemetery which serves as a burial ground for South Antrim and Belfast. The cemetery is positioned on the slopes of Carnmoney Hill, which is a haven for local wildlife and is designated a local nature reserve.

A Mary Butters[1] of Carrickfergus was convicted in 1808 for killing three people through herbalism, in a trial recorded officially as the 'Carnmoney Witch Trial'.

The poet Derek Mahon mentions the enormous Carnmoney Cemetery in his poem, My wicked uncle.

Carnmoney was the home of Mauds_Ice_Cream, a large provincial ice cream producer.

Carnmoney's constituent electoral boundaries still refer to the old boundaries of Carnmoney, Carnmoney Bog and Carnmoney Glebe.

Carnmoney Hill has many interesting archealogical features such as ringforts and souterrains. Dunanney rath being a residential place of the English during negotiatons between the English and Irish Kings during the 1600s.

Cheers
Teri

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From: MSN Nicknamenanna1961Sent: 4/24/2008 1:26 AM
Thanks Teri hopefully the church might be able to shed some light on this for me will let you know how I go thanks again for all your help
Lee

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