Hi Marian again

 

Well maybe its the top one, as they lived in Marylebone and Margaert died there, and if I remember right,  the Census were taken in April ??, will see if I can get the death cerifi

 

And did you that you found the family on the 1881 census ?? and John was with them ??

 

Maybe I had wrong family , they had five girls and one boy

 

Margaret b 1848

Ellen b 1852

Mary b 1855

Annie  b 1857 she married in 1857 to a Arthur Edwards

William b 1861 he married Eliza Buckhurst My grt grand parents

Margaret b 1869

 

If there there were any other child, I do not know

 

Marj

 

 

Marj - do you have access to Ancestry?  If so, you will find the family on the 1861 and 1871.  On the 1881 census, John is not listed with his wife, but she is NOT listed as a widow, so he must have still been alive.  The census that year was taken on the night of 3rd April.  Apart from 1841, which was taken on 6 June, all the censuses were taken in late March/early April.

 

As there are so many variant spellings of the name Moloney, you will have to be careful when ordering a certificate.  You may want to phone the GRO beforehand to make sure you are getting the right one, otherwise it could cost you quite a bit in wasted certs.  I do know this from experience.

 

Marian 

Marian

 

Thanks for info, now this may sound daft but I have never order a certificate before, so what sort of info do I give them ?, as the others I have copies of were from ones my Aunt had who sadly died last month.

 

Thanks Marj

Hi Marj

 

You will need to purchase some certificates along the way, as this is really the only actual proof you will have.  That is why they are often called the "building blocks" of your research.

 

This is the GRO site which we use:

 

 

When completing the online form, only fill in info that a) is mandatory and b) you are certain of.  This way you are more likely to get the right one.  They are normally £7.00 each.

 

Wishing you success.

 

Marian

Marj - I did find them on the 1881, but John was not listed, only Margaret age 59, William age 18 and Margaret age 12.

 

Marian

Marian

 

Seems my local office can help me, as they also have info from all over UK, going to ring them in morning, wil let you know te out come

 

 

Marj

Hi Marj

 

Well, you are luckier than most!  Hope it works out for you.

 

Marian

Marian seems I was told wrong ,   

 

So back to the drawing board, but as Ii was going though things found that a John Maloney was in a work house in 1891 thats two yrs after Margaret died and he was a windower ??

 

Also found this info

 

On the 1851 census gives a John Maloney as a Private Marine at Woolwhich Dockyard,

 

This is the 1861 census, 15 Bewers Court
Ann Malony 4 
Catherine Malony 13 
Ellen Malony 8 
John Malony 40 
Margaret Malony 36 
Mary Malony 6 
William Malony 2 months <<<< My Grt Grandad

 

This is the 1871 census family lived at Greys Buildings
Annie Maloney 14 
Catherine Maloney 23 
Ellen Maloney 18 
John Maloney 47  Plasters Labourer
Margaret Maloney 47 
Margaret Maloney 2 
Mary Maloney 16 
William Maloney 10 
 
In the 1881, they lived at 23 Barrett CT.
And only William and Margaret live there with their mother so think John was woking away from home, as it does not give Margaet as a window.
 

Why I think the top one is John as the family has a history of being Marines, in fact Ihave my Grandfathers discharge papers, and my Dad was also one as were three of his bro's and I was always told it was a family thing to do

 

Does this make sense to you

 

Marj

Hi Marj

 

Give me time and I will get back to you on this.  Have been away for a few days so am just catching up.  Thanks for your patience.

 

Marian

Marian

NP hes waited a few years so a few days is NP

 

Grin

 

Marj

Hi Marj

 

Firstly, thank you for the lovely Thanksgiving message.  We all appreciated it.

Sorry to hear it's back to the drawing board re your records office. 

 

Now, I had already found the family on the 1861, 1871 and 1881.  I think I mentioned this in my messages 17 and 20.  Plus the fact that John was not with them on the 1881 and yet Margaret was not listed as a widow.

 

I have now checked your findings on the 1851 where John was a marine.  You will have a better idea than I would about this as you have more info. I have also found his wife Margaret in1851 residing at 8 Walmer Place, St. Marylebone.  Age 23 and married, born Limerick, Ireland and working as a shirt maker.  She is living with Margaret Fitzgibbon (wrongly transcribed as Hibsgibber!) who is unmarried, age 23 and from Limerick, too. 

 

It is hard to know if that is your John in the workhouse in 1891.  I have searched but haven't been able to find John's death record as yet. 

 

Marian 

Marian

Thanks for your messages, I am at a loss, why we can not find his death, but when I saw the name John Maloney, as living in the work house, and as a windower, hoped this is him, can not remember now what it gave as his job, but will look today, gosh why do we not ask these questions of our parents etc when we were young

 

 

Thanks again Marj

Hi Marj

 

The John Maloney in the workhouse in 1891 was a General Labourer.

 

The only death in London anywhere near the right age is this one, but I am very doubtful.

 

 

 

 

Could he have moved in with one of his children?  If so, do you know where they lived?

 

Marian

Hi Marian

 I will check tomorrow.

 

 

Marj

Good morning Marian

 

Can not find any info on John via family, but do have the records of Henry Robert Maloney his grandson, when he was 11 he went to Greewich Navel School and at the time they lived in I Imperial Buildings Camberwell.

 

His Father William, was born Marylebone and his Mother was born in Islington, I am not sure where this relates to Hackney ?

 

But have found this

In the 1881 census think I have found Margaret as head but still married and  Laundress
She is also in the 1891 census as a widow, and still working as a laundress, living at 53 Cowper Street

 

I am getting confursed now lol

 

Marj