Jen - I cannot locate Thomas on the 1880 U.S. Federal Census.  Can you tell me who was living with him at that time, and any other details that would help me find them?

 

Marian

Hi Jen

 

I found this on the Castle Garden site.  If the third one listed here is your Thomas, he arrived in 1876, not 1870.

 

Marian

 

 

First name	Last name	Occupation	Age	Sex	Arrived	Origin	Ship
THOMAS	MOORE	CHILD, YOUNGSTER	7	M	2 Jul 1883	IRELAND	THE QUEEN
THOMAS	MOORE	LABORER	18	M	7 Oct 1874	USA	THE QUEEN
THOMAS	MOORE	LABORER	30	M	3 Jul 1876	IRELAND	THE QUEEN

 

Hi Marion,

 

I had a thought last night. Was Northern Ireland and rest of it not split during those years due to religion. All these family members on both sides were staunch Catholics.  Ellen Grace and Thomas Moore, also my grandmother Mary Julia and a young son who died at 5yrs old in 1916 were all buried in St, Francis Irish Catholic Cemetery at their death. Confirmed by death certs and RI Archives.

 

Also of note is that my grandmother married 1st marriage to French Catholic. Then lived with my grandfather but no trace of a marriage anywhere. Had two sons one above and my father by him. Had them baptised at birth without husband being aware. He was staunch Protestant. I tell you this as it may effect the search area. I'm afraid I am not up to date on the Irish issues.

 

Thanks for the update.

 

I appreciate your willingness to help so much. I help people search their ancestors on two other groups I belong too, I have learned a lot about UK. Also do Canada, helps to speak and read French, also research for USA too. Never tried Ireland. Have even searched New Zealand and Australia a few times.

 

Jen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marion.

 

I just found another Thomas Moore on the Boston Passenger list 1820-1943

 

Arrival 30 May 1870

est birth :1853

Point of departure: Liverpool

Ship Palmyra

Boston, Massachusetts.

 

Also Thomas Moore in 1880 census copied as More, but if you read actual census it says Moore. Wife Ellen and daughter Mary Moore 2yrs old b. 1878.

 

Jen

Hello Jen

 

Unfortunately my knowledge of Irish history is not great, but I do know that back in those times the whole of Ireland was part of Britain and was under British rule. 

 

Today, the six counties of Northern Ireland are part of the United Kingdom, but the other 26 counties of Ireland are a separate country and known as the Republic of Ireland.  Catholics and Protestants - as well as people of other faiths - live alongside one another mostly in peace, and of course there is intermarriage.  Back in the 19th century life was very different and very much harder in so many ways.  Catholics mostly married within the faith, but not always, and this was not tolerated as it is today. 

 

I am not sure if the above helps you at all.  I would just say to never narrow things down too much in your research, and always be open to the unexpected.

 

So you also help others with their research.  I have to say that Ireland is not the easiest place for researching your genealogy, but it is a challenge, and fortunately more and more records are becoming available online.

 

Back to Thomas Moore, if that ship record is the correct one, that means he was born c1847 doesn't it?

 

Marian

Sorry, I meant to say c1845-46.

 

Marian

Jen - I just found the 1880 census entry.  I am wondering if their occupations could be a clue as to which part of Ireland they came from. 

 

Did they give an occupation on the passenger list? 

 

Marian

 

 

Household:  Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace  Thomas MORE   Self   M   Male   W   27   IRE   Works In Cotton Mill   IRE   IRE   Ellen MORE   Wife   M   Female   W   22   IRE   Works In Cotton Mill   IRE   IRE   Mary MORE   Dau   S   Female   W   2   RI      IRE   IRE

Hi Jen

 

That Boston list entry looks promising.  His birth year ties in with the 1880 census birth year.

 

Marian

Marion,

 

1880 census gives ages. and what you found already

 

Gives Ellen's dob as 1858 and Thomas 1853. Again you have to realize this is transcription from census to Ancestry.

 

 

 

Name:	Thomas Moore
Arrival Date:	21 Sep 1869
Estimated Birth Year:	abt 1853
Age:	16
Gender:	Male
Port of Departure:	Liverpool, England
Destination:	United States of America
Place of Origin:	Ireland
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality:	Irish
Ship Name:	James Foster Jr
Search Ship Database:	Search the James Foster Jr in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival:	New York
Line:	12
Microfilm Serial:	M237
Microfilm Roll:	M237_318
List Number:	1104
Port Arrival State:	New York
Port Arrival Country:	United States

Jen - Mike has found this marriage record.  The year is out, I know, but the names are right.  What do you think?

 

 

 

 

Marian

Mike also found this birth listed in Dublin Heritage.

 

 

Date Of Birth	Date of Baptism	Surname	Firstname	Parish
04-03-1857	07-03-1857	Grace	Ellen	Clondalkin R.c.
04-03-1857	07-03-1857	Grace	Ellen	Palmerstown R.c

Marian

 

 

 

Hi Marion,

 

Does the site give parents names for birth records. Her parents were Patrick Grace and Mary O'Reilly Grace.

 

I think Texas is a no go but let me check that out as have not been able to find them in the 1900 census in Rhode Island . need to explore all options.

Tell Mike thanks for the help too for me.

 

Jen

Hi Jen

 

No, they don't give parents' names, sorry to say.

 

Mike has found two Patrick Graces listed in Griffith's Valuations:

 

Hi Marion,

 

Thanks for all your help, looks like I can't confirm much else but I do have more than I started with.  There was always a problem there anyway, lots more of name changes etc, in my father's time. So had to be something.

 

If I ever get a chance to help here I will offer. Thanks again you are super...

Will definitely keep in touch.

 

 

Jen