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| PENTLAND Richard. born about 1800 + - 10 years married Mary Anne DAVIS in Armagh, Ireland. Sons - George (maybe), b. circa 1825 William, b. 2 June 1830 County Armagh, Ireland. William emigrated to Australia on the "Cambodia" departing Plymouth, 03.12.1851; arrived Geelong,Victoria 31.03.1852. We have Williams life, wife and descendants fairly well documented while he lived in Australia. This is on a site with Ancestry.com (I think) posted by Peter Whitehead, my brother. We have contacted Ulster Archives and received no more than we already knew after paying the for first round. William's marriage certificate to Eliza Ewings in Melbourne, states his parents were Richard Pentland and Mary Ann Davis Married in the Church of England and Ireland in Armagh - or County Armagh. Shipping notes give his religion as Episcopalian From my mothers written notes (circa 1970) She states there was a cousin living at Tandragee. Her notes also give a connection with Gilmerton in Scotland, but this may have been in relation to Eliza Ewings, though Eliza's parents also married in Armagh - or County Armagh. Eliza's mother came from Portadown.( According to my mothers notes.) First, my brother and I would like to unravel the history of William PENTLAND's beginnings in North Ireland and that of his parents. - Richard PENTLAND and Mary Ann DAVIS. Richard's father may have been George E. PENTLAND but do not know where this information has come from, and may be unfounded. Do hope you can help in some way, then we will ask you about Eliza Ewings. Regards. Audrey. | |
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Thanks Teri, I hope you don't mind being kept so busy. Shame that the tithe records do not show the whole of the families. Especially as so many records have been destroyed. I was hoping to establish the family at the Scottish end, then link it to the Irish end as we do not seem to be able to find other records in N Ireland. Audrey. |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/14/2008 6:49 PM |
Hi Audrey I checked out the 1841 census and there were definitely none of your Pentland family left in Scotland at that time. It is possible therefore that the whole family moved to Ireland. This would have after 1819 as Agnes Pentland was born in Edinburgh then. I think since we cannot find Richard's marriage maybe we need to come at it from a different angle. I'll see if I can find any marriages for David, Ross? or Agnes in Ireland instead. If successful this would possibly give us the right parish and we could take the rest from there. I'll certainly do further searches at the records office to see if I can find anything further from when they were still in Scotland. I found the following genealogy sites: I havent had time to look through them but they do seem to have parish records so it might well be worth a look. I'll get back to you if anything else turns up. Teri |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/14/2008 7:38 PM |
Audrey I meant to give you this: George Davis married Mary Pentland on 25 March 1854 in Tullylish, Co Down Although I know this is not your direct Pentland/Davis line, I found it interesting that it was a Pentland/Davis marriage. Teri |
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Hi, Teri, Thanks for your post. Any information is better tha none, and perhaps there is a link somewhere. Audrey. |
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| | | From: Roxanna | Sent: 1/11/2009 10:10 PM |
Hi Audrey, I also am researching the Pentland family in Armagh. Given the difficulties establishing connections, I note any of them I come across. For what it is worth, I can identify two of the Pentlands listed below - maybe it will be helpful in your research. Alexander Pentland is Drumgor is married to Elizabeth. George Pentland in Derrykeevan is his son. Since there are not any ages or dates for the other Pentland mentioned in the Tithe Applotment books, I can't tell whether they also could be sons of Alexander. These are the children we know of for Alexander and Elizabeth. See below. Alexander died about 1841 in Drumgor. After his death, his wife Elizabeth went to live with her son George in Derrykeevan. She died there in 1848. Their children were: Elizabeth, b. 1801 John b, 1804 George, b. 1806 (married Jane/Jennie Anderson in Drumgor. They had two children in Drumgor before moving to Derrykeevan abt 1827) John, b. 1807 Samuel, b. 1810 Elizabeth, b. 1816 Ann Thomas Best, Roxanna Hi Audrey I checked out the tithe applotment books and found these in Co Armagh: Alexander Pentland, Crossmecaghley, Seagoe Alexander Pentland, Drumgor, Seagoe George Pentland, Derrykeevan ,Tartaraghan John, Jr, Pentland, Ballyhannon, Seagoe John Pentland, Crossmecaghley, Seagoe John, Sr. Pentland, Ballyhannon, Seagoe John Pentland, Ballymecrandle, Seagoe The tithe applotment books record the results of a land survey taken to determine the tithe (or amount of tax) landholders had to pay to the church of Ireland, the established church until 1869. This survey took place in all the counties from 1827 to 1834. I dont know which year the survey was carried out in Co Armagh. However, I think, because of these records it looks like we should concentrate the search in Seagoe parish in Co Armagh. Teri |
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Roxanna I have passed on your Message to Audrey. Hopefully she will be in Contact. As you may have noticed on our Welcome Page We have a New site set up for when Msn close. Audrey has also Joined that one. So if your interested in Keeping in Touch. Please join us Mike |
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| | | From: Roxanna | Sent: 1/13/2009 1:48 AM |
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Roxanna there was a Problem with new site yesterday. I had same Problem But they rectified it last night. You may have to try again. The trouble with Beta sites is they can go down. Mind you cant be worse than msn. Audrey is often Away but she will get back to you. Mike |
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Roxanne and mickeym. b about 1828
Davis
Thankyou for your messages. We have modified our Armagh Pentlands:
Richard Pentland married Mary Ann DAVIS in the United Church of england and Ireland. On 6 Dec. 1829 lived at Drumnakelly Co. Armagh and registered again on 11 Dec. 1831, still at Drumnakelly at the time of son Davis's baptism.
two sons :
i. William born 2 June 1829(exact date uncertain) Baptised 8 Dec. 1829 at the Church of Ireland, Drumcree. in baptismal records as William
surname recorded as PEDLETON
ii. Davis Baptised 11 Dec 1831 in church of Ireland, Drumcree. father Richard, mother Mary Ann of Drumnakelly.
George PENTLAND, a cousin lived at Portadown.Co. Armagh
To date no records have been found of George, Richard, Mary Ann or Davis.
Only the Griffith Valuation records a Richard Pentland leasing a house and small block of land from Mary Totten who in turn leased it from the Duke of Manchester.
Richard PENTLAND and Mary Ann DAVIS must have been born abut 1805 - 10.
It has been suggested that Richard was born in Scotland - father John PENTLAND and Margaret HOPE. siblings Ross, David, Agnes.
But we are as yet unable to establish when some of the family moved to Ireland, and have not been able to trace any of the siblings.
Perhaps this will help you in your search.
Colin Yarwood is searching for these Seagoe Pentlands as is Elizabeth in sydney.
If all the knowledge is banded together we may be able to sort the families out.
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Hi Audrey,
I also am researching the Pentland family in Armagh. Given the difficulties establishing connections, I note any of them I come across.
For what it is worth, I can identify two of the Pentlands listed below - maybe it will be helpful in your research.
Alexander Pentland is Drumgor is married to Elizabeth.
George Pentland in Derrykeevan is his son.
Since there are not any ages or dates for the other Pentland mentioned in the Tithe Applotment books, I can't tell whether they also could be sons of Alexander.
These are the children we know of for Alexander and Elizabeth. See below. Alexander died about 1841 in Drumgor. After his death, his wife Elizabeth went to live with her son George in Derrykeevan. She died there in 1848.
Their children were:
Elizabeth, b. 1801
John b, 1804
George, b. 1806 (married Jane/Jennie Anderson in Drumgor. They had two children in Drumgor before moving to Derrykeevan abt 1827)
John, b. 1807
Samuel, b. 1810
Elizabeth, b. 1816
Ann
Thomas
Best,
Roxanna
Hi Audrey
I checked out the tithe applotment books and found these in Co Armagh:
Alexander Pentland, Crossmecaghley, Seagoe
Alexander Pentland, Drumgor, Seagoe
George Pentland, Derrykeevan ,Tartaraghan
John, Jr, Pentland, Ballyhannon, Seagoe
John Pentland, Crossmecaghley, Seagoe
John, Sr. Pentland, Ballyhannon, Seagoe
John Pentland, Ballymecrandle, Seagoe
The tithe applotment books record the results of a land survey taken to determine the tithe (or amount of tax) landholders had to pay to the church of Ireland, the established church until 1869. This survey took place in all the counties from 1827 to 1834. I dont know which year the survey was carried out in Co Armagh.
However, I think, because of these records it looks like we should concentrate the search in Seagoe parish in Co Armagh.
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| | | From: Roxanna | Sent: 1/14/2009 12:24 AM |
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Hi Audrey,
For what its worth, here are some other Richard Pentlands I have come
across.
From a record on Ancestry or Ellis Island.
Arriving July 2, 1911
departed Londonderry
SS California
Richard PEntland, age 22 (b. 1889)
male
married
weaver
can read
and write
jwife Mrs. Sarah Pentland
4 Mourn View St, Portadown
ging to
Conn, So Manchester
visiting cousin Edward Marshall
90 1/2 W Centre St, So
Manchester,
paid passage self, had 25$, never in US before
not a
polygamist or anarchist
health good, not crippled
5'8" fresh
complexion
fair hair gray eyes
Record of the births for Richard and Elizabeth found on Emerald
Ancestors.com
Descendants of Richard
Pentland
1
Richard
Pentland
.. +Elizabeth
Topley m: Bef. 1867 in Armagh, N.
Ireland
....... 2 Meredith
Pentland b: 1867 in Lurgan, Portadown, Armagh, N.
Ireland
....... 2
Elizabeth Pentland b: 1869 in Lurgan, Portadown, Armagh, N.
Ireland
....... 2
Margaret Pentland b: 07 Sep 1870 in Portadown, Lurgan, Armagh, N.
Ireland
....... 2
Mary Jane Pentland b: 11 Jul 1872 in Portadown, Lurgan, Armagh, N.
Ireland
....... 2
Sarah Pentland b: 1874 in Portadown, Lurgan, Armagh, N.
Ireland
....... 2
Another Brother
Pentland
................ 3
Meredith Pentland b: 1871 in Armagh,
Ireland
................ 3
Elizabeth Pentland b: 1873 in Armagh,
Ireland
................ 3
Margaret Pentland b: 1883 in Armagh,
Ireland
Best,
Roxanna
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Thanks Roxanne. Perhaps they are grandchildren or great grandchildren of our Richard PENTLAND. Hard to tell at this stage.
Weaving was a popular career in Portadown and surrounding area. Not sure if this was flax or cotton. Flax I think.<RTE_TEXT></RTE_TEXT>
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Hi Roxanne and Audrey Not sure if these records are any use to you | ? | PENTLAND | . | Tullylish | a draper in Main St, Gilford & organist at parish church c. 1908 | OGSLL p4 | | . | A. | PENTLAND | . | Knockbreda | of 160 Ravenhill Rd, East Belfast near London Street ; a horsedealer in 1902 | POD | | . | Alexander | PENTLAND | . | Ballywalter | son of Samuel Pentland ;aged 50 married Mary Gilmore 11 Oct 1855 | CR | | Miss | Anne | PENTLAND
PENDLETON
PANTLAND | . | Seapatrick | regd.Banbridge; wife of George Davidson ; mother of Catherine Anne b. 1868 & Martha b. 1870 & Mary b. 1874 | CR | | . | David | PENTLAND | . | Tullylish | son of Richard Pentland ; married Elizabeth Kitchen 8 Apr 1853 | CR | | . | Edward | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | member of Banbridge Salvation Army c. 1920 | OB p 34 | | Mrs. | Eliza Anne | PENTLAND | . | Belfast & Down | of Cregagh, Belfast; died 11 Jan 1900, a widow; daughter of Henry & Eliza Bassett of Downpatrick ; buried Inch graveyard; will probated 7 Feb 1900 , executor was John Bannon | MIs; MID p 84 | | Miss | Eliza | PENTLAND | . | Donaghcloney | regd. Waringstown; wife of John Sharpe; mother of Eliza Jane b. 1871 | CR | | Miss | Elizabeth | PENTLAND | . | Tullylish | daughter of Robert Pentland ; aged 30 married Francis Fox 16 Nov 1860 | CR | | Miss | Fanny | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | regd. Banbridge; daughter of Edward Pentland ; married Archibald Scott 11 Oct 1847 | CR | | . | George | PENTLAND | . | Newry | will probated 1831; executor was Alexander Pentland of Newry | IIW #53381 | | . | George | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | regd. Banbridge; husband of Catherine Campbell; father of George b. 12 Jun 1869 & William b. 18 Feb 1872 | CR | | . | Henry | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | regd. Banbridge; son of Richard Pentland ; married Mrs. Mary McNeight (nee McClelland) 30 May 1860 | CR | | Miss | Isabel | PENTLAND. | . | Magheradrool | regd. Ballynahinch; wife of Armour Jackson; mother of John b. 1870 | CR | | Miss | Isabelle | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | daughter of George Pentland ; married George Harry Milner 24 Mar 1856 | CR | | . | James | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | a grocer in Banbridge in 1819 | POD | | . | James | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | of Banbridge; will probated 1822 | IIW V4 p125 | | . | Joseph | PENTLAND | . | Tullylish | of Dunbarton St, Gilford; a mason in 1910 | POD | | Miss | Lelia/ Lilly Anne | PENTLAND | . | Tullylish & Seapatrick | daughter of John Pentland; married John Purdie 21 Nov 1856 in Tullylish ; mother of Thomas b. 1869 (regd. Banbridge) | CR | | . | Margaret Anne | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | died 25 May 1829; buried Banbridge 1st Presbyterian graveyard | MIs | | . | Margaret | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | will probated 1829; executor was Agnes Pentland of Banbridge | IIW # 53380 | | Miss | Mary | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | regd. Banbridge; wife of James McDonell; mother of George b. 1871 | CR | | Miss | Mary | PENTLAND | . | Tullylish | daughter of John Pentland ; married George Davis 25 Mar 1854 | CR | | Miss | Mary | PENTLAND | . | Tullylish & Seapatrick | daughter of Robert Pentland; married James McDowell 6 Dec 1861 in Tullylish ; mother of Catherine b. 1867 & William Alexander b. 1869 (regd. Banbridge) | PR | | . | Robert | PENTLAND | . | Donaghadee | of Union St, Donaghadee; leased a house & yard in 1863 from John McConkey | GV | | . | Robert | PENTLAND | . | Donaghadee | husband of Isabella Burns; father of John b. 31 Oct 1868 | CR | | . | Robert | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | regd. Banbridge;son of John Pentland ; married Esther Sifton/Sefton 4 Oct 1850; father of George b. 11 Jul 1868 | BVR; CR | | Miss | Sarah | PENTLAND
PENTLETON
| . | Kilmore & Killyleagh | daughter of John Pentland; married Alexander Bennett 30 Mar 1861 in Kilmore ; mother of Mary Ann b. 1865 & Sarah b. 1868 & James b. 1871 (regd. Killyleagh) | CR | | Miss | Sarah | PENTLAND
PENDLETON | . | Seapatrick | regd. Banbridge; wife of Alexander Craig; mother of Jams b. 1869 & Elizabeth b. 1871 & Mary anne b. 1874 | CR | | . | Thomas | PENTLAND | . | Donaghadee | son of Thomas Pentland ; married Agnes Jamison 26 Feb 1850 | CR | | . | Thomas | PENTLAND | . | Donaghadee | of Main St, Donaghadee; a baker in 1852 | POD | | . | Thomas | PENTLAND | . | Donaghadee | in Mount St, Donaghadee, leased out a house in 1863 to Isaac Martin & in Bow Lane leased out 2 houses to James McGrory & Eliza Kinnealy | GV | | . | Thomas | PENTLAND | . | Donaghadee | of New St. Donaghadee; leased a house, bakery, office & yard in 1863 from Mrs. Mercer Young | GV | | . | Thomas | PENTLAND | . | Seapatrick | regd. Banbridge; son of Ralph Pentland ; married Mary Ann Wilson 4 Aug 1856 | CR | | . | William | PENTLAND | . | Magheradrool | regd. Ballynahinch; husband of Jane Beattie; father of William b. 8 Mar 1868 | CR | | . | William | PENTLAND | . | Newtownards | a muslin manufacturer & haberdasher in Newtownards in 1824 | POD | | . | William | PENTLAND | . | Saintfield | of Lisowen; won Kirkkpatrick Cup at Listooder Ploughing Match 12/ 14 Jan 1938 | DR | |
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Thanks for that,Mickym. What records are these. Are there such records for DAVIS, EWINGS and McILROY? Audrey. |
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Hi Audrey There is Info On Davis Families And McKILROYS.They are found on Ross Davies site |
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