Hi Laura

Thanks for getting back to me. I checked out the births and marriages at UHF for Antrim and Down as the indexes give the father's name in both cases and cannot find any with Robert as a father.  I will have a search around the other counties to see if there is anything.  However, it may well have been Belfast but no record existed. There are only 2 roman catholic parishes with records going back to and beyond 1840 - St Patrick's and Holy Cross.

I did find a birth in the Scottish IGIs as follows:

 

Alexander Quin, male, born 10 June 1844, Barony, Glasgow, Lanarshire

Father: Robert Quin

Mother: Elizabeth Morn

(Morn might actually be meant to be Moran)

 

I then tried to check this family out on 1851 census of Scotland but they no longer seem to be in Scotland - could this be the family?

 

I looked at the tithe applotment books to see if I could find Robert or Patrick McIlvenny. These are my findings:

1827: Robert Quinn, Derryaghy, Stoneyford Co Antrim

1826: Patrick McIlvenny, Arboe, Ballymurphy Co Tyrone

 

There were also several Robert Quinns listed in various parishes in Co Tyrone.

 

Mike checked the 1851 census fragments and found the following:

Alexander Quinn, age 19, Unmarried, Damask Weaver, Co Armagh

 

He also found the following in Slater's Directory - Tandragee, Co Armagh, 1881

Alexander Robert Quinn, Esq, JP Acton House

 

We'll keep looking and get back to you if any possible births or marriages turn up.

 

Cheers

Teri

 

 

Hi Teri,

 

Thank you for the information.

 

I had quite a lot of what you sent.

Alexander was 20 when he married so without his birth certificate I have to accept that his DOB is correct.  Also, with him naming his 2 first born sons Robert, I am assuming that Alex's father was named Robert.

I would like your advice as to what would be the best & cheapest way of trying to locate his birth certificate with the marriage information I have.

 

It has also been a family story that we come from the same Quinns as Ned Kelly and we come from the O'Neill clan, but which O'Neill is the problem!  Ive also considered that they may have had their lands taken and re-settled in another county before making their way to Co Antrim.

 

I have read so many other Quinn family stories stating that there is a temper that runs in the blood.  I can confirm that my Quinns are also very bad tempered! lol and short.

 

Thank you again.

 

Laura

 

 

Hi Laura

Michael found these IGI records for children born to Robert Quinn and his second wife Margaret Agnew.I realise of course that you may already have them:

 

Name: William James Quin

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Birth: 13 August, 1868, Ireland

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Parents: Robert Quin

            Margaret Agnew

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Name:            Elizabeth Quinn

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Birth: 18 October 1869, Armagh, Ireland

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Parents: Robert Quinn              

              Margaret Agnew

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Name: Margaret Quinn

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Birth: 9 July 1872   

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Parents: Robert Quinn

             Margaret Agnew

 

 

I'm checking out which roman catholic parishes other than in Belfast would be likely to have records going back as far as you need.  Although St Patrick's and Holy Cross in Belfast are the only ones that have, these were transcribed by UHF and are in their database so we know they dont have your Quinns.  I would advise against spending money till I check the availability of records as you could just be throwing money away.   It's unfortunate but not a lot of parishes did keep records going back very far and some of the detail even when they did is very poor.  Let me check then get back to you.

Teri

             

Hi Teri & Mike,

 

Thank you for the latest information.  Would I be right in thinking these children were born in Co Armagh & not Co Antrim.  Apparantly, Daniel Quinn b.1871 was named after a grandfather or great grandfather so maybe I need to concentrate more on Co Armagh!

 

I know there was a Daniel Quinn who was buried in the old church of Lugan before the Brownlees built a new one!

 

Thanks again.

 

Laura

Hi Laura Yes all Children born in Armagh

 

Mike

Hi Laura

Here's a site that will help you check the availablity of roman catholic parish records as it lists each parish in each county, the records that exist and where they can be accessed:

 

 

If you click on the county a menu will appear on the left side on the next page.  Click on catholic records then have a look at each of the parishes.  You will see for each parish, the years for which there are records and who has them - PRONI, LDS, or local family history centre, for example.   If they have been transcribed by the local family history centre, and most now have, you can search them here at the Irish Family History Foundation website:

 

 

You can register free then begin searching. All the counties for Northern Ireland are already there online except Co Derry, which I feel sure will follow soon.

 

Next you asked about the O'Neills.   Co Tyrone was the stronghold of the O'Neill clan who were first recorded there in Irish history many many centuries agi,  I did check out the frequency of the name Quinn in Tyrone at it was very prevalent. Mind you I found it  in all counties especially the north.  I next looked to see where Quinn and McIlvenny most frequently occur together and it is in Antrim, Belfast City, Derry, Down and Monaghan.  Unfortunately this doesnt narrow down the search for us. It really means we need to check out all the counties in Northern Ireland.

Hope this helps

Teri

Laura

Some further data from Mike's searching:

 

Posted By: James McAteer
Email:
Subject: Alexander Quinn, US Army
Post Date: December 06, 2004 at 11:44:51
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/boxerrebellion/messages/27.html
Forum: Boxer Rebellion Forum
Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/boxerrebellion/


Family folklore has it that Alexander Quinn (my great grandmother's
brother) served in the US regular army forces at the Boxer Rebellion. Is
there a list of Americans who served in China during the rebellion? Alex
died on active service in the Philippines during 1906.

http://66.43.28.32/cgi-bin/print.cgi?boxerrebellion::27.html
QUINN, ALEXANDER M.

Rank and Organization: Sergeant, Company A, 13th U.S. Infantry. Place and
Date: At Santiago, Cuba, 1 July 1898. Entered Service At: Philadelphia,
Pa. Birth: Passaic, N.J. Date of Issue: 22 June 1899.

Citation:

Gallantly assisted in the rescue of the wounded from in front of the lines
and under heavy fire from the enemy.

 

 

Also this:

 

The Quinns
The Quinns came from County Antrim in what is now Northern Ireland.
Belfast is the main city in the county. Thomas Quinn was born in 1831 at
Portglenone, County Antrim. His parents were Alexander Quinn and Mary
Orahiu. Mary Ann McLean was born in 1832 also at Portglenone. They were
married at their birthplace in 1848 and migrated to Victoria shortly
after. They were a Catholic family.

Their firstborn, Thomas, arrived in 1851. Further research is needed to
determine his place of birth. Mary Ann was born at Tarrawingee in 1853.
Eliza arrived in 1855. Alexander was born in 1856, John arrived in 1857,
Charles in 1861, there was another birth in 1864, and James was born at
Tarrawingee on 8 October 1867 (confirmed by Victorian birth record 20517).


http://users.bigpond.net.au/b-and-j/The%20First%20Crocketts%20in%20Australia%20and%20New%20Zealand.htm

 

This first item  interested us, not just from the fact that it might tie in with your quinns but also because we have a member searching McAteer in Portglenone and the message was posted  by a McAteer.

Teri

Hi Laura

Loads to start you off find out about the O'Neills here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Neill_(surname)

 

Teri

Hi Laura

To try to establish exactly which parish Robert  Quinn and Margaret Agnew's 3 children were born, I ran a search at Emerald Ancestors.  They dont have a record for Margaret but have the records for William and Elizabeth.  Interestingly, although the IGIs state Armagh (Mike and I both checked this), Emerald Ancestors have Antim.  I would take it from that, the parish they were born in is probably one which spans the border between Armagh and Antrim and therefore it is possible the births were registered in Antrim.  This can happen when the parish boundary takes in part of each county.

Cheers

Teri

Hi Teri & Mike,

 

Thank you for this information.  How interesting the McAteer message is as I have 2 world boxing champs, one being Rinty and the other his cousin Jim Beggins who won the Navy Boxing Cup in Hong Kong 1910, so to find another champ would be a great family story to pass on!.

Also, he has Kellys in his line so I shall definititley re-search these names.

Its great that you can give so many new leads for people for I know how time consuming this is.

 

Much appreciated

 

Laura

Hi Debbie

I've just checked out the British Isles Vital Records cds and Robert Quinn and Margraet Agnew's children are given as born in Belfast on the cds.  I think since Emerald Ancestors also has Belfast then we must assume that there was an error when the IGIs were transcribed and someone put Armagh in error.

Cheers

Teri

Laura This is the Email Address of James McAteer Who has Alexander The Boxer.Its Either Lmf or 1 mf

 

[email protected]
or [email protected]

Hi Mike,

 

Not sure with which Quinn you were referring to!

 

That's if you sent me a message!

 

Thanks Laura

Hi Mike,

 

Sorry, I've just read another message re-McMullen!

 

Thanks Laura

From: Laura  (Original Message)

Sent: 2008/10/14 09:35 PM

Hi,   I am seeking advice on why a baby would be baptized twice.   Patrick Quinn b.1879 Apr 2 Belfast. Baptzed date unknown at St Marys RC then a day later at their family parish St Josephs RC Belfast. parents were   Alexander Quinn b.1840  d. 1905 buried Milltown Cem Belfast & Catherine McIlvenny abt. 1840  d. 1903 buried Milltown Cem (refer to message of Alexander Quinn)   I have been told that it may have been that Patrick was ill but Alexander was known to have been very harsh towards his family.  Could there have been some clash! The temper seems to run in the Quinn line.   Although, I do not have the certificates, I am certain they exist from an old family tree researched some years ago.   Any information or look up would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks Laura