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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKate  (Original Message)Sent: 6/17/2008 11:39 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknamePippa401</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 2008/06/17 11:25 PM
Am researching husband's family and looking for Edward Charles Tilly b. Sussex 1847 m. Emma Rainger b. 1849. Edward Charles born 1871 Sussex, married Elizabeth nee Marklaw also born Sussex 1874.
Edward Charles second of 12 children. Not known when he emigrated to Canada but lived in Toronto area. Had several children including Arthur Baden d 25/6/1927, Earl d. 3/7/1970 Patricia Alberta (Pat) d. 12/10/90 and others called Lucy and Margaret and grandson Paul; these details gleaned from Newspaper Obituaries sent by other new-found relatives!
Elizabeth, wife of Edward Charles, died 17/4/1938 - there was possibly a son called Edward Charles as there is a notice for him died 26/5/1938. Any help you can give on this family would be much appreciated. Gwynne Tilly


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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/18/2008 7:15 PM
Gwynne - I am looking for Elizabeth Marklew, and I find that there is nobody by that name born in Sussex in that year.  The Marklews nearly all come from the Staffordshire area.  I did find an Eliza Marshall born in Sussex and living in West Ham in 1881, so could it be her?
 
If you knew the names of any of her siblings and/or parents it would be a big help. 
 
Marian

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From: MSN NicknamePippa401Sent: 6/18/2008 8:32 PM
Thank you Marian for all your hard work, especially on the 'Rainger/Ranger Family. I think I have to accept Elizabeth Marklew was Staffordshire born as have verified her as wife of Edward Charles Tilly through earlier investigations. She had a sister called Grace Marklew who lived with them (a Domestic Nurse) in both U.K. and Canada I think but I seem to recall she married another of the Tilly brothers!
Edwin and Emma went on to have six more children after James H and these were: Nellie, Ernest Arthur, Edwin(husband's father) Doris Lilian, Rose May and Grace Martha - 4 Knights Road, West Ham in 1901 Census. I don't have access to Census Records but have been sent them in the past including some from Canada which were totally illegible!
I have tried letters to Toronto Newspapers in the past with the hope that we may locate some Tilly descendants of Edward Charles and Elizabeth but drew a blank there too.
If you have any suggestions on other routes I could try to do this then we would be delighted! Many thanks, Gwynne

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/19/2008 10:47 AM
Hi Gwynne
 
Grace's birth reg.
 
 
Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page 

Births Dec 1881   (>99%)
MARKLEW  Grace Lester    West Ham  4a 61
 
 
 
Marian

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/19/2008 10:53 AM
Gwynne - I have found another Marklew = Tilly marriage for the family tree.  Clarence married Alberta Marklew in 1901.
 
 
Marriages Jun 1901  
 
Marklew  Alberta     W. Ham  4a 287   
TILLY  Clarence George     W.Ham  4a 287
 
 
Marian

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/20/2008 12:17 AM
Gwynne - Elizabeth and Grace's parents:
 
 
Marriages Sep 1862
 
Holloway  Priscilla     Walsall  6b 677   
Marklew  Abraham Lester     Walsall  6b 677
 
 
Marian

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From: MSN NicknamePippa401Sent: 6/20/2008 12:36 AM
Thanks Marian for names of Elizabeth and Grace Marklew's parents - excuse my ignorance but what does the " 6b 677"
reference number refer to? This is not something I have dealt with before but it is so long ago since I first started making family history enquiries I've probably just forgotten!! Gwynne

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/20/2008 1:11 AM
Hi Gwynne
 
That is the reference which you would need to quote when ordering the certificate - Volume 6b  Page 677.  Every BMD has a volume and page number.  If you need to order any, I can give you the link to the site.  Certs cost £7.00 each. 
 
Marian 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknamePippa401Sent: 6/20/2008 1:21 AM
Hi Marian - thanks, I thought it would be certificate numbers but am not prepared to go down that track especially with exchange rate from NZ - if we still lived in London that would be different!!
If any other descendants of this Tilly clan turn up then this exercise will have been worthwhile. Did you receive the copies of Canadian Census forms on your other address o.k. We don't have broadband so took a while to send! Gwynne

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/20/2008 7:06 PM

Hello Gwynne

I only received one census form - was that right?  I will transcribe as best I can.  It is easier to read in daylight, but still quite difficult.  I had to magnify to 200%. 

I checked some of the names against the birth records for West Ham on FreeBMD  http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/   I think Baden might be Arthur Lester B. Tilly as I found this name for 1900.  I also found a Lucy Eileen born 1905.  There are quite a number of Tilly births in West Ham, too many for one family, but I feel they are nevertheless related - perhaps cousins?  But you will probably know that.  One interesting find was Ivy Ranger Tilly born 1905.  The Tilly birth records for West Ham come to a sudden stop in June 1907, which is the year the family emigrated.  You might want to search FreeBMD yourself -  just click Births, type in surname Tilly, then the year range that you want.  When they come up it is easy to spot the West Ham ones. 

Now to the census.  Address looks to me like 21 Rippendowns

Tilly Elizabeth             wife  b April 1875 age 36
Tilly Edward Charles  son   b April 1896 age 15
Tilly Baden                son    b June 1900 age 11
Tilly Priscilla Alberta  daughter  b Dec 1903  age 7
Tilly Lucy                  daughter   b Jan 1905  age 5
Tilly ?Alfred Earle       son   b July 1909 age 1
Tilly Myrtle               daughter    b 1911 age 5 months

First 5 born England

All Canadian nationality
All Anglican religion
Edward Charles employed as a Messenger, can't read where he was employed - John ........
First 4 can read and write (others too young!)

All speak English language
Emigrated 1907
No infirmities

I do hope this is helpful.

Marian


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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/20/2008 7:49 PM
Hi Gwynne
 
I have been searching and found there is a Sheppard Avenue in Toronto East.  Could this be what we are looking for?
 
Marian

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From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 6/21/2008 7:55 AM
Hi Gwynne
 
I scrutinized maps of Toronto, and specifically Toronto East (as on the census form you sent) for an address which looked like the one which is so hard to read on the form.  I wasn't happy with "Rippendowns"!  
 
The word appears to have "pp" or possibly "ff" in it.  Then on the map I found Sheppard Avenue  in North York, Toronto (East).  I do feel that is what the Tilly's address is.  I think it is quite a large street, as there is also a Sheppard Avenue E. in Scarborough, Toronto.  And there is a Sheppard Line (railway?) also.   I was hoping this might help in your investigations!!  One other possibility is Dufferin Street in North York, Toronto, but I don't think it's that. 
 
Marian

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From: MSN NicknamePippa401Sent: 6/21/2008 8:26 PM
Hi Marian - thanks for info. on Sheppard Avenue and possibly Dufferin Street - I will definitely give it a go with enquiries in the Toronto press once again and see if there is any result. I will let you know either way!
At least all this has rekindled our interest in this far-flung Tilly clan!! Thanks again. Gwynne

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From: LauraSent: 6/22/2008 5:31 AM
Whilst viewing a Tree named Our Family Tree, it had the following information:-
 
Emily Elizabeth Tilley b.1898 Oct 10 8 Swindon Place Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Died: 9 Apr 1990 - The General Hospital Cheltenham Gloucestershire
married 1916 Register Office Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Charles John Neale b. 20 Dec 1897 - 27 Windsor Street Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Died: 29 Dec 1958 - The General Hospital Cheltenham Gloucestershire
son
Dennis Alwyn Neale b.7 Jul 1935 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
d: 19 Aug 1998 - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Spouse: Gwynneth Elizabeth Maud Swanborough b.1931
Marr: 3 Aug 1963
 
Hope this help.
 

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From: MSN NicknamePippa401Sent: 6/23/2008 12:07 AM
Laura - thanks for your findings on Emily Elizabeth Tilley - although there have been variations over the years in spelling I am pretty sure none of the family we want hailed from Gloucestershire and have no known siblings after 1894 but anything is possible in genealogy research as I have found out before!! Gwynne

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