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 | | | From: sambuca (Original Message) | Sent: 8/30/2002 3:23 AM |
While I'm waiting for Tye to tell us about our first book for the Book CLub (hint hint) I'll start another discussion. I guess some lessons are learned the hard way, but some come as an ah-hah! experience too. Whatever the form, some lessons change us with a jolt and we are never quite the same afterwards. Hopefully we are changed for the better. I know we can all benefit from each other's experiences because they can be shortcuts to finding our way with a brighter light. Here's my two. When I was in deep dispair over HIM in California, a friend invited me to a Tony Robbins Seminar. At that time hw was famous and controversial for the Firewalk. For those of you youngsters, a twenty foot long path of burning coals was constructed on the ground and brave souls were taught how to walk over it without injury. The goal was to overcome fear into triumph. Lots of folks debunked as being fake but Tony was a charismatic guy and attracted boucoups of disciples to walk the walk. It was preceded by a three hour seminar on how to get in touch with your inner resources and use them to conquer the firewalk-ie- fear in general. It was real.We saw the crew construct the walk and saw and heard the wood reduced to coals. The temperature of the coals was like your average BBQ. I thought I was prepared but when I stood at the head of the path and looked out at the red glowing coals, I hesitated. Was I prepared, crazy or ready to move aside for the next person. I took a deep breath, employed the technique Tony taught and stepped out. With firm even steps I walked with confidence to the end. My soles were slightly scorched and my pant hems black from the soot but I had done something that amazed me! What a tremendous high! I had taken control of my feelings and my life for one short walk and had emerged with a stronger sense of who I was and what I could accomplish if only I did not give in to the fears that held me back from moving ahead. If I could walk the firewalk, I could overcome what ever else was in my way. I was in charge! Sure,I knew these things intellectually but never FELT them to be true. That one experience has stayed with me for the last 20 years. It's helped me overcome a fear of flying,of taking responsibility for my actions, of trying something new, of committing myself to a second marriage. The memry of that walk is a touchstone for me. When I falter, it's ok, I know I can pick myself up and do what it takes to get back up. The second is shorter. When I was going through the end with HIM, years ago, I blamed HIM for everthing. If only he loved me more, told the truth, saw my side of things etc. etc. I went into therapy.The most valuable lesson learned was that- surprize- I was using him as a distraction from looking at me. It took me a long time to absorb the wisdom of that sentance- to take responsibility for my own responses to people and life. I'm still working on that lesson! And you?
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Smarty -- I don't want to get tooooo off-subject, so I'll answer briefly. Thanks for the compliment about my nephew, Noah. That photo actually doesn't show how really gorgeous he is. You do not have an Aquarius Moon. You have a Cancer Moon! Cancer is a water sign with a strong family/home emphasis. I wrote down your birth data from another message board -- January 21, 1970. So, you are an Aquarius with a Cancer Moon. I sing for myself but I don't really belt out tunes like I used to. It's physically uncomfortable to sing because I wasn't doing it for 10 years. It's like a muscle that hasn't been used too much. |
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Thanks Diane Zee! I once read in some astrology book that I had both Sun and Moon in Aquarius, and I always believed that. I appreciate you going that one step further for me. Now I'm suddenly interested ion astrology again. It was a passion of mine a few years ago, but then I kind of got over it. I've never done anyones chart or anything. And Please advise me... is it really a good idea to do my own chart? I dont know why I have in my head that doing my own chart is bad luck or something.. Uh oh...now what am I going to blame my wacky behavior on?? LOL
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Every astrololger starts with his or her own chart! You know yourself best, so studying astrology and using your own chart (or family and friends' charts) is the way one usually learns. |
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Thakns for your guidance. I'm gonna try it!
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I am in awe of some of these posts. Some of our parents really believed in "tough love" didn't they? I have a friend whose mother would put an unfinished dinner plate in the fridge and force her to eat it cold in the morning for breakfast, then lunch etc. until all the food was gone and the plate was scraped. My father-in-law refused to let my husband enter the Naval Academy (even though he'd been accepted, had the prerequisite congressional recommendations etc) because "He was an enlisted man, and if it were good enough for him it was good enough for his son". I confess I could never quite warm up to the man after I heard that (that and some of his other "spare the rod" type punishments") even though the man is a perfectly sweet grandfather to my children. But on a lighter note...here's my story on why you should stay away from married men.( a disclaimer here: I was about 20 years old and an idiot.) When I was in the Navy, I went to Naval Justice School to be a court reporter. One of my instructors was a genius teacher. Smart, funny as hell, and just all-around-cool, ya know? Before you think I was blinded by some "top-gun" type, I stood about a head taller (and I'm 5'7"), he had bad teeth, and thick glasses. Well, about the second week of school, he seemed to take a fatherly interest in me, giving me all kinds of personal advice, helping me with school etc. I was crazy about him. (of course, he was married!, had a couple of young children) But nothing had happened so I didn't feel too guilty. When school ended, I had a month's leave before heading off to Naples, Italy. He suggested that I come back to school, pick up my paychecks, and have dinner with him (home was only a couple of hours away). So, I did, (not innocently, I knew by then what he had planned) Well, I got there, there were flowers waiting in my hotel room, he picked me up, and we went to this beautiful seafood restaurant for dinner & drinks. He ordered some kind of seafood casserole but asked the waitress if it had scallops in it because he was high allergic to scallops. (You can see this coming, right?) We finished dinner (and I repeat myself here --- it was a very classy place -- black tie, etc.) I'm in a very expensive black dress and high heels (which made me really tower over him) that I blew a whole paycheck on. We're finishing the wine, he's holding my hand and rubbing my knee...and all of a sudden, he starts to turn red... and says his tongue itches. He stands up and VOMITS all over me. (I swear on my children this is true) Then pitches face first on the floor, choking. The whole place is in an uproar. The ambulance comes...they need his name, doctor's name etc. I think that the ambulance crew had a pretty good idea what was going on, when I refused to go to the hospital with them. (He was okay, by the way) So, there I am, all dressed up, with vomit dripping off me, my car is back at the hotel, in this beautiful place (with the bill still unpaid -- and more than I'd make in a month) The waitress took pity on me, helped clean me up, called me a cab, accepted a check (against policy). I went back to the hotel, called the hospital to see if he was okay, took a shower, (the dress was a total loss, I heaved it in garbage) packed my stuff and went home!!!! It took me years to tell my mother what happened...she laughed. I honestly think God was trying to tell me something. He tried and tried to call me, but I just couldn't talk to him...the whole thing was so sordid (and funny, really). So, that's why I never, ever messed with married men!!! Live and Learn! |
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Please excuse the typos in the above post. You'd think an English teacher would be more on the ball. Consider it a "rough draft"... I was on a roll. |
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EnglishTeacher, I can just see all of what you described happening in my mind's eye....not at all funny at the time but kinda laughable now. You are probably very thankful that things ended up that way or God only knows what MAJOR upsets would have happened. I only wish more women who find themselves involved with a married man would take heed of lessons... Do I sound bitter? I am! A married woman took away my first husband. She carried on an affair with him while I was pregnant with two of our children. I still blame her more than I do him because we all know (no offense, Texoma or any other guy in here) that they are led by their hormones (to put it nicely!) I don't think I've ever gotten over it. BTW, she got a divorce during the affair and then put intense pressure on him to do the same. They are still married. It's a long, sad story that has had horrible consequences on my children as well as me. |
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English Teacher - that story is priceless!!! I agree with Liloleme...I am glad this happen so things didn't go any further. You deserved better!!! Liloleme - I understand where you are coming from too. My X was running around with another woman too...someone who I thought was one of my best friends...someone who I had confided in. She was married too and according to everyone in our small community this wasn't her first conquest. Fortunately, my X married someone else and she has a good relationship with my kids and me. I can't imagine how awful it would have been if he had married the woman he was having an affair with. Rondiepoo |
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Liloleme & Rondiepoo: I am very glad that things worked out as they did (now)...Even back then, the overwhelming feeling once I got back to the hotel (and found out that he was okay) was RELIEF. I wasn't stupid, I knew what I was doing was wrong. I never talked to the man again and never wanted to even think about it...but as I got older, I thought about his wife's cosmic revenge...and how it had to be considered poetic justice. I do try not to judge people, affairs happen all the time for a variety of reasons. But I think that we should all try to live honorably!!! Emphasis on TRY...I can see that you both came through your experiences stronger people...but I don't blame you for feeling bitter (I would too). I tell this story, more to get a laugh...and some day, I will tell my teenage girls this story. What was the character in a 70's sitcom that used to say "God will get you for that!"? Seems to be the moral of the story, doesn't it? |
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I think the character was maybe Bea Arthur's character in "Golden Girls?" I'm not judging you, please don't get me wrong. My story was very bitter; I do have a good relationship with my ex but I still can't abide the "step-monster." It is a looonnnggg and very sad story and my middle child is still paying for it at the age of 25. It was that element of the whole mess that made me so bitter - not losing him. It was the damage done to the kids that hurt so much. They stayed with their father because there were three of them and he made (and controlled) the money. Two of them ended up in inpatient psychiatric care and, as previously mentioned, one is still suffering though he is grown enough to put it behind him. I still blame myself for leaving the kids with him...it was a decision, though done with the best intent, that will haunt me forever... |
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English Teacher, what a story! You must have been mortified. The jerk must have known you got stuck with the bill. The least you could have done was reimburse you. Rondi and LilOleMe, No, I don't blame you for being bitter. It's horrible to lose your guy to another woman. |
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typos, english, that would be the least he could have done.....  |
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Great story, English Teacher, although I can see the other ladies' points of views as well, since we all know what it's like to be cheated on!! But a lot of us do stupid things when we're young that later make us cringe! I still can't believe the jerk didn't pay you back for all your troubles! That showed you what a low-life he really was, you know? Still, I would've thrown that dress away also! Yuck. Cut your losses, that's what I always say. When I was very young, I also almost got involved with a married man. Long story about why we didn't do anything. We worked together and we were at a party and yadda, yadda, yadda, nothing happened. But for weeks after that party, he would come into my office and say sexually suggestive things to me and then walk away. All I could think about is: Damn, I am so glad I didn't get involved with that jerk! He was so annoying and childish, I shuddered to think what he would have been like if we had slept together. Yuck. What an ass. Needless to say, sometimes we learn "life's little lessons" the hard way! And you sure did. |
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Oh, English Teacher, I didn't mean to sound judgmental or bitter at you!!!. Your experience and what happen to me are entirely different. My X was 40 years old and so was the other woman and both had teenage kids. We are all vulnerable at certain times in our lives...even me. Rondiepoo |
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Ladies, ladies...I didn't feel judged at all... As Diane said, we all do stupid things when we're young...and I chalked it up to experience. Now, I laugh about it, and figure the price of the dinner & the dress was penence for being stupid & naive. I don't really want to tell my girls because I know they could never picture me doing anything like that. But one of these days I will, just like I'll admit that I've smoked pot and done my fair share of experimenting. For now, I'd rather they think I was born this age with the two of them under my arms. |
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