3C would be checkback stayman if you have that agreement and it is alertable, otherwise it would be a raise in clubs.

I remind other respondants that this is the Bridge Basics board.

 

Any bid over 2N rebid is a GF. Some play complex conventions or NMF here.

 

Since you have BOTH majors and can easily lose a 4-4 major fit, I would rebid 1H rather than 2N. Although Lorne treats this sequence as forcing, all agree that it is almost forcing. Trust partner not to pass with any hand that would produce game opposite this hand.

 

Save the game-forcing, jump-shift 2H rebid for more powerful distributional hands with 5c/4h.

 

The hand is also too weak for a GF JS. If partner gave you a courtesy response with something like xxx/xxx/KQxxx/xx, game has little chance.

Yes, I played and bid the hand as shown here only to receive message from my partner after hand that I should bid have opened hand 1 NT, (very scary). One thing I do notice playing online is that there is a certain lack of discipline. Bidding for this hand is so basic imho that it scares me as to what is standard anymore. I  have played  against one couple who in two of the last three games I have played their 2NT range stating 20-21 hcp has been opened with a 19 count. Contract always preceeded with good luck my dear. This tells me either they do not know the standard method to show nineteen count or they lack faith in their partner to recognize a forcing bid. Only time in the world the 2nt would be passed is if responder lied about 6 count originally and then it will still be right.

This hand is too strong for a 1N opener. Not only is it 18 hcp, but a very powerful 18 hcp all aces and kings.

 

A disciplined bidder would rebid 1H. Playing 5-card majors, it is a general rule: "Never pass over a 4-card major at the one-level except to bid a 5-card suit."

Interesting hand    I  would bid  1 heart with 4   after the fit is found you can always show count.   I thot it is very basic to always bid up the line.   that is why you can open minor in hopes to find Major fit early  

my obilgation as responder is always to show my 4 card major after a minor opening if im 4/4 in the majors bid up the line..........

PK, many users of this board have their shortcut for this message board set to bring up "all message boards", so they can't tell that it is a Bridge Basics question unless the letters "BB" are used in the title of the thread.   Using BB is something we all agreed on when Lorne added Bridge Basics to the list, but I think many have forgotten.

 

Rusty  , you can only use check back stayman when a  majorsuit is done.

so in this case (1cl...1dia...2NT  ) you cannot.

 

I agree PK who said :"I rather bid 1 heart than 2 NT .",neglecting two major suits((

 

the hand has almost all points in the majors , so I dislike a 2NT bid with only

3 small clubs.

 

the responder can bid 3 h after the 2 NT bid , but it suggest a longer diasuit

and " sounds "as a reversebid........., but maybe  better then 3 NT.

 

may I introduce to you my acol system ? ( of course  only for perusal)

 

people who do not like it  , no need to read !

 

In acol system you can agree the opening of 1 heart can be 5+ crd , or 4/4 in the majors.  When rebid is 2 cl or 2 dia you accentuate that first suit is longer so heart must be 5 crd. When responder  bid :  1 sp , no problem to raise the spade suit,when opening 4/4 major.So if opener bid 1 NT after answer of 1 spade , you can be sure hearts are 5.

 

The principle of the acol system is :

 

longest suit first .

with 2 or 3 "4crd's " open lowest

with 2  "5 crd' s" open highest

 

balanced hands

opening 1 in suit , rebid 1 nt=13/14

 "           1 in suit , rebid 2 nt= 18/19

balanced hands

opening  1 nt=15/17.................................................        transfer and stayman

  "           2 nt= 20/21..................................                    "         "   (puppet stayman)

  "           2 cl.(relay 2dia) rebid 2 NT  = 22/23................same as after 2NT

  "           2 dia (relay 2 h)   "       "      = 24/25....................."     "    "      

 

also possible to open 2 cl  rebid 3 NT=26/27

 "         "        "     "     2dia    "      "     = 28 +

 

the 2cl opening( 2 dia relay) is " 2way ",can be also a strong 1 suiter sf.,game-1(0r game-the rebid will tell)

 

the 2 dia opening ( 2h relay) is a "2way " opening. GF, 2 long suits ,the responder can relay P s hand.(also a 4.4.4.1 GF hand included)

 

for balanced hands you need 13 + points (in 3third hand 12+)

 

for unbalanced hands you look more for tricks than points.!!

so can be a little less.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are right Laura that it is normally used when responder has bid a major, however I have seen it used in this case also as a special treatment.  Some people do like to play that the 2N rebid particularly over a responding 1D can contain 1 or 2 4cd majors.

A modern treatment is to always bid 1M/1C with less than an opening bid bypassing any diamond suit. This treatment has the following characteristics: