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From: MSN Nicknameslslady10  (Original Message)Sent: 12/30/2008 3:30 AM

On Tuesday Hamas legislators marked the Christmas season by passing a Sharia criminal code for the Palestinian Authority. Among other things, the code legalizes crucifixion. Yes, quite a comeuppance from the BC sharia code that Hamas follows! Give them another century and they might just recognize the Inquisition techniques as new laws for punishment of the infidels!



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From: MSN NicknameOpar5Sent: 12/30/2008 7:10 AM
Dear lady,
 
Islam has always sanctioned crucifiction - among other things; like cutting-off opposite foot and hand, cauterizing the wounds, blinding the individual and throwing him on hot rocks to die of thirst.     Tying someone down and building a fire on his chest is also sanctioned.      Castration is common.     Female captives are invariably raped - except those pregnant or in their periods.    Beheading usually follows when the "holy warriors" get bored with their play on male captives; they just pass around the females.
 
I wonder where we get off trying to impose our idea of humane treatment on people who do not subscribe to the "Golden Rule"?!!!!     "Humane" treatment is a very personal concept and we know how Muslims treat those in their power.     Communication requires a common understanding: we don't move into a tribal area and insist they follow rules from our culture, we adapt to theirs when dealing with them.   Why should dealing with Muslims be any different?

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From: MSN NicknameOpar5Sent: 12/30/2008 7:13 PM
No answetr to # 2 from the peanut gallery?

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From: MSN Nickname69BuickGSSent: 12/30/2008 7:16 PM
My best guess is that your mommy neglected you.

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From: MSN NicknameIron_Panda_Sent: 12/31/2008 6:54 PM
it is the brith of the Sun people.  Wake up.  Pass over is nothing more then the Sun crossing the equator. 
 
OMG you are so primative. 
 
 
Happy Yule tide. 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameOpar5Sent: 1/1/2009 9:47 PM
(# 4) Buick,
 
You finally got something right - not from any intelligent analysis, but from trying to be glib.    My mother and I never bonded, and I grew up a latch-key kid in downtown Cincinnati.      I had more than enough attention and companionship from my classmates and the runaways and throwaways I knew on the streets.      Boys didn't care much for me and I always preferred the company of the female gender.    Life has always been good for me and I've never missed whatever most think I missed.

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From: MSN NicknameIron_Panda_Sent: 1/1/2009 11:40 PM
Im a wheel Im a wheel
I turn and I feel
And you can stop me turning!
 
Im the Sun
Im the Sun
Im the Burning bright one
And you cant stop me Burning!

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From: MSN NicknameIron_Panda_Sent: 1/1/2009 11:44 PM
IES = 606
 
This is the holy number of the Sun
For every 606 years their is a perfect Solar eclips.
 
When you latinize IES
 
The I becomes a J
Addign the Roman male Suffix US
 
You get JESUS
 
and that is how the jew got a Roman name. 
 
666  is the product of a Magic Square for the Saturn number 11
 
Jews is the worship of Saturn well, about 99.8% of it is.  Kronos, he was called in days of old, before Zeus killed him and took over... 
 
 
Learn the past, do not let them cover it up and rewrite it. 

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From: MSN NicknamedoonjonSent: 1/2/2009 11:26 AM

The name Jesus is a Greek translation simply because the Greek alphabet was unable to tanslate his name which was Yeshua....The name Jesus was not derived from any pagan ritual......as it came  about in its present form  from the King James bible translation from the Greek into English.

Yeshua... Eesho... Iesous...  Jesus


As odd as it may seem, the name Jesus is a relatively new invention, only a few hundred years old, that was created by multiple translations and stylistic changes to the original name.

The name of the one born in Bethlehem to Mary and Joseph about 2000 years ago was written as   in Aramaic. Most scholars agree that the common language of the entire region was Aramaic and that Jesus probably spoke Aramaic and was most likely named in Aramaic.

The modern transliteration of the Aramaic into English has been written in many forms, including Yeshu', Eesho' or Eshoo. There were, and still are, many different, and often contradictory, dialects of Aramaic, making it impossible to know for certain how his name was actually pronounced 2000 years ago. That same name would be written as in Hebrew and is commonly transliterated into English as Yeshua, which is a Hebrew contraction for the name Yehoshua meaning Yah is salvation or Yah saves. Many Biblical references, such as Young's Analytical Concordance, have concluded that his name was Yeshua.

The really odd changes to his name all began with translation into non-Semitic languages.

When the name was translated into Greek, the translators were first faced with the task of deciding whether they should translate the name phonetically to try to keep the sound the same, or whether they should translate the name according to its meaning. Apparently, they chose to use the phonetic approach so that the sound of the name would be preserved, even though the meaning of the name would be lost in the phonetic translation.

Unfortunately, the Greek language lacks some of the sounds used in Aramaic. And to further complicate the issue, all Greek masculine names must end with the letter "s". So, without the proper sounds and forced to add the "s" to the end of the name, the best that the Greek translators could do was translate the name as which may be pronounced something like "ee-ay-soos". Still, that's pretty close to the original name, except for the letter "s" that was added at the end.

Then, as the books of the bible began to gain wider circulation, the name was again translated, this time from Greek into Latin. In the official Catholic bible version called the Vulgate, the name was established in Latin as "Iesus". In Latin the letter "I" when used as a consonant has somewhat of a "Y" sound, so the name may have been pronounced something like "ye-soos", which is a still pretty good approximation to the original name, except for the "s" at the end.

Over the years, as the pronunciation of the European languages gradually changed, and as the manner of writing the various letters also changed, an embellished version of the letter "I" gradually acquired a sound of it's own and over time became an entirely new letter, the letter "J" with it's current "J" sound. And, along the way, the long "u" sound of "oo" was lost and it became a short "u". So, as the newly invented printing press churned out bibles, the Latin version of the name gradually became written as "Jesus" and the English pronunciation as we know it today was gradually adopted.

Although the spelling "Iesus" or "Iesvs" was used in the King James version of the New Testament from 1611 to 1628, by the year 1629 the King James version began to adopt the spelling "Jesus". Gradually, during the 17th century, the name shifted from "Iesus" to the pronunciation "Jesus" that we are still using today.

Thus, the name was gradually changed to the English name Jesus.... which is indeed quite a different sounding name.

Fortunately, it seems that the pronunciation of the words in our prayers is much less important that the heartfelt intent of our prayers. And thereby all true seekers receive the same results whether they have learned to call on the sacred name of Jesus or Eeso or Yeshu' or Iesous.

That is to say, the pronunciation of the name is really not very important, but rather it is our intent,  purpose and faith that truly matter.

The ancient Semitic root of the word for "name" is s-m, and while it does certainly mean "name" it also means much more. The s-m of something is that by which it is known, it is that which makes something different in a way that it can be distinguished from something else, it can mean light or sound or vibration, it is the very essence of something.  

So, to call upon someone's "shem" is not simply to call upon the sound of their name, but it means to call upon their very essence... which is far beyond the mere utterance of a name.

Words come and words go, languages come and languages go, yet the magnificent heart of each person remains the glorious temple of God, the abode of Love Everlasting... if only we will cast off our veils of selfishness and allow the Divine Light to shine forth.

Matters such as alphabets and names and spelling are ephemeral matters, they come and go like the shifting sands. For those who are willing to seek it, there is something which is like a rock in the midst of those shifting sands, something more fulfilling than any ephemeral matter... and that "something" is the goal of the spiritual path. Let us strive to focus our attention beyond words, beyond momentary concerns, and strive to discover that glorious ever-present essence which is beyond the name.

 


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From: MSN Nickname69BuickGSSent: 1/2/2009 3:44 PM
"My mother and I never bonded"
 
I know.
 
There's no need to elaborate. You're inability to carry out normal human interaction is all I needed to see.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameIron_Panda_Sent: 1/2/2009 3:52 PM
Their Sabath is Saturn-day. 

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