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Questions? : Do you see suicide as a solution?
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From: MSN NicknameSmile-Mom-  (Original Message)Sent: 1/22/2007 10:38 PM
A friend of mine finally found meds that worked and her insurance denied her the meds.  She fought it and was denied again.  She committed suicide because she was not going to spend the rest of her life in tears from pain with out any hope.  What do you think?


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From: MSN Nicknameswtanjul2007Sent: 1/23/2007 12:05 AM
I did at first...everyday for about 2 years. But I realized how selfish that would be! It may end my pain but what about the pain I would cause for all of those that I left behind... The only solution is to find a doctor who will help and understand. They are out there and persistance does pay off....  There are places that you can look at that will give you a list of docs in your area....

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From: MSN NicknameSmile-Mom-Sent: 1/23/2007 1:07 AM
I agree with you Juls, but I think I might take that out if my meds stopped working and there was nothing in the near future that would help.  Not sure but I think that would push me over the edge.  Also I know someone who just committed suicide because she finally found the one med that helped her and her insurance sent her the final "DENIED" letter.  It was more then she could live with.

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From: MSN Nicknameswtanjul2007Sent: 1/23/2007 2:41 AM
{{{{{{{Smile}}}}}}}  I know the feeling but it is the loss of hope that pushes...so many drug companies now have assistance programs-and there is ppa.... lack of info doesn't help any!  We had the boys and not too long after I left here--we got a new young governor who made devastating medicaid cuts and we were given a $777.00 spend down so supposedly after we spent that $777.00 then medicaid would kick in!
Heck if we had the $777.00 free I could afford regular insurance!!
Sorry I got off track...
All we can do is help as much as others let us and keep our info up to date so people know what is out there....  *H*&*P*  luv juls
 

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From: MSN Nicknamedini747Sent: 1/27/2007 5:51 PM
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It really boggles me how Doctors are so caught up in being watched by the College Of Physicians and Surgeons, I think it's totally unfair that so many people are denied medication or the help they need. I've felt the same way alot of times when I was denied my medication and everything seemed hopeless. We can only tolerate our pain for so long and even though some interprete that as a sign of weakness, I find it a sign of extreme courage. I think our Government should sit up and take notice why some are given meds so easily and yet others can't get what would help them to lead a reasonably normal functioning life. I'm a strong advocate at getting my point across to doctors so they will listen. I'm really tired of being portrayed as a "drug seeker"! My argument with them now is what is the difference between addiction and dependency...my doctor claims that they are both the same thing which annoys me to no end! If the College would allow doctors to try different ways of helping others then more lives would be saved! It's OUR pain and OUR bodies...not OUR DOCTORS!
Dini

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From: MSN NicknameNiddy_BumSent: 1/27/2007 8:41 PM
That's just it. It's not the pain that drives people to commit suicide, it's the lack of hope. If you knew that your pain would stop in a week, or a month, or even a year, you'd find a way to hang on till then.
 
Pain does make people make bad decisions. The people who commit suicuide have DECIDED that their pain will never end. To me, that's an uninformed decision. There will always be another dr, another med, another treatment. To say that you've tried it all is very narcissistic.
 
Sorry...too harsh prolly, eh? But yeah, I make dang sure spirit doesn't give up hope. There are MILLIONS of drs out there. ONE of them HAS to have the answer.
 
If we can't afford them, I'll start writing them to see if someone will help pro-bono. If that doesn't work, we'll move in with family...see where I'm going? I can think of hundreds of ways to actively have hope.
 
I'll shut-up now.

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From: MSN Nicknameswtanjul2007Sent: 1/27/2007 9:49 PM
My big thing at first was letting my pain meds run out every month in hopes that the pain wouldn't be there...but... my hubby hid the key to his gun cabinet....he knew I was serious.
 
Let's be honest here--there isn't always another doctor--now the government is changing how people like us get the pain meds they need. Regular doctors at least here--can't prescribe pain meds on a long term basis. I have ro go to a pain management doc. I believe he is an anestheasiologist (forgive the spell.) ....many docs don't like pres. oxy...so I went thru docs who made me try methadone--I couldn't put a grocerylist together....the next made me try kadian and morphine and those gace me a bleeding ulcer--neither would give me the oxy that had worked before---they'd give me all of the morphine I wanted but none of those worked!
 
I have a cousin who is about like me but she let them operate on her back....she regrets it big time--for a while there she was getting pain meds thru the internet....it took her a bit to find the doc. that would care....
 
I think we need to just be aware of those around us--don't let anyone drown or give up hope!!!!!  We can make difference, this is a family here....everyone needs to know we will do anything and everything we can to help as long as they let one of us know that they are hurting and need help!!!                                     *H*&*P*      juls

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From: MSN NicknameSmile-Mom-Sent: 2/22/2007 6:33 PM
I have to say that as long as W/C has control over my life I live with the fear that they will decide I don't need my meds at any time :(

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From: Avey_COSent: 2/23/2007 2:46 PM
I understand what you are saying.  The fear of loosing control can be overwhelming.  Here again sometimes it is mind over matter.  Think of yourself as a survivor not a victim. 
 
We do not know, never have-never will, what tomorrow is going to bring.  Fearing tomorrow or the actions of others can get a strangle hold on you. 
 
Talk to your doctors, tell them your fear and see if they are willing to work with you to have a back up plan in effect.  Check out the programs out there that help with the cost of medications.  Do you qualify for any?  ...........Avey

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From: MSN NicknameSmile-Mom-Sent: 2/23/2007 6:02 PM
I hope you all know that I am not considering suicide just asking the question.  I get depressed sometimes when I feel out of control of my life but on the whole I love my life and don't see suicide as anything I would do.

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From: MSN NicknamesoprokSent: 3/10/2007 11:21 AM
No  suicide is to permanant a solution to a problem.       besides i believe the bible and it says suicide is a sin.
 
                hugs to all.           soprok

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From: MSN Nicknamecandypb1Sent: 3/10/2007 4:26 PM
Sometimes it too much work to look for another doctor, to fight for your meds, to fight each day, to feel better.  I can understand why people would choose suicide, but I will admit to thinking about ait, a lot.  This is a complex medical condition, and it makes life challenging.  It's hard when no one else really understands what you are going through. 
 
I went for a simple pap test, and have been in pain from that for 3 days.  Geesh, is there anywhere on our bodies that fibro can't affect, and that is a weird one.  Who's going to understand that!
 
I don't want to talk to people, because no one understands.  It's March break and I can't take my children out, like I used to. That makes me sad. 
 
I often says that Fibro doesn't kill, and that's the real challenge - living with it.  I don't condone suicide as a solution though. 

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From: karenbstifflerSent: 3/10/2007 5:22 PM
I am with you on that! Didn't want to bring it up myself but since you did, I fully believe that and don't want to go to hell.  Karen

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From: MSN NicknameSmile-Mom-Sent: 3/10/2007 9:38 PM
OK let's change this a bit, would you feel differently if suicide wasn't a sin?  If you could no longer get your meds ever again?

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