Dream Sharing

 

psy_worm: is it common for psychic communication to take place in dreams among 2 sleeping ppl?

EvonneT.Story: sure

Corvus: i don't know how common it is worm, but i personally have experienced it

EvonneT.Story: two people will often share a dream too

dracy: you had such a free IM chat over sleep?

psy_worm: would it be common for one of them to possibly forget it as most dreams?

EvonneT.Story: of course

Corvus: that also has happened to me *lol*

either he, or i, would forget from time to time--we weren't alwys in the right place/mind to remember

EvonneT.Story: you may be aware of sharing the dream but the other person may not have developed enough energy to recall it

psy_worm: is there a "litmus test" so to speak to see wether the dream i had last night was such a communication or just all my creation?

dracy: i dunnoo

EvonneT.Story: for me i simply know

no doubt

psy_worm: thats how i feel

EvonneT.Story: the sensation is completely different from a regular dream

psy_worm: but i dont recall dreams often so, i tread lightly

Corvus: well, in my case, i'd talk in waking time with the person i met on dreamtime, and we'd share experiences--purposefully leaving out points for the other to fill in

EvonneT.Story: and often it will not be your point of view

you may also see the dream through the other person's point of view [as well as your own] 

dracy: well, technicaly you may touch same topics which you talked about in your dream

EvonneT.Story: you will notice things such as that is not what you look like to you

lol

dracy: if the person spoke to you in that dream

Corvus: usually it was him with the full recall, and me with the haziness; he'd help me fill in the memory blanks

dracy: you will probably get similar answers

to similar questions

psy_worm: hmm

dracy: if the dream anchored in someones mind

you may even see strange behaviour

EvonneT.Story: hypnosis might get it out

but you would have to be skilled

what do you think psy-w?

psy_worm: about what exactly?

EvonneT.Story: "hmmm"

denotes thinking

psy_worm: just reflecting

EvonneT.Story: so i was wondering what your mind wheels were reflecting upon

dracy: what was the dream about?

psy_worm: the mundane nature yet profound feeling of the dream

Corvus: *thinks about the first dream meeting and chuckles*

EvonneT.Story: certain dreams simply stick out

i know your first dream meeting Corv

:D

dracy: corv: you remeber first dream meeting?

EvonneT.Story: so do i

and i was not even in it

hahahahahha

psy_worm: me and a long time friend who have always had a terribly strained relationship are sitting on a table out in front of some unidentifiable house

psy_worm: all i remember yelling at her is " i dont ever want to hear another fucking story about panama, tony ,or anybody!"

She replied" then get stacked and tougher"

the end

EvonneT.Story: so you gotta lift more?

dracy: seems real to me

psy_worm: basically lol

EvonneT.Story: lol

Corvus: sounds like you two were working out some problems worm *lol*

EvonneT.Story: muscular ones

psy_worm: nods*

dracy: worm: call her and say: tell me more about panam and tony

EvonneT.Story: tony must have pecs

Corvus: heh

psy_worm: panama is a different guy to, not the country

EvonneT.Story: he does not want to hear anymore about tony though

psy_worm: nah its true

i never want to hear another fucking story about em

psy_worm: my ears been chewed down to the nub

psy_worm: yea im keeping it to myself

psy_worm: sharing it wont bring forth any further illumination than the dream has already

Corvus: when i met my dream dropping boyfriend; he dropped in on me....

dracy: tell us corv

id like to hear

Corvus: actually, it's semi-relevant to the psychic self defense topic in a way

Corvus: so...couple years ago, i was asleep, having a perfectly mundane, unmemorable dream, when i suddenly fet like i was pulled upwards from behind--like someone standing behind me had me under the arms and just yanked up

dracy: unleast that would prove whether dream was true

Corvus: the random unmemorable dream i was having was left behind, and everything became very vivid--but everything was also very dark

Corvus: i had the sensation that someone was standing behind me-- i couldn't see them but i knew they were there, and in a weird way i could see that someone was there without seeing them--that strange double-vision of seeing from both inside and outside my

dracy: how do people pull others from dreams?

EvonneT.Story: when you know, you know

Corvus: body at once

dracy: i want that feature too :)

EvonneT.Story: others may fight your views anyway worm

Corvus: that's when he bit me--sank his teeth deep in my neck

dracy: bit?

EvonneT.Story: that is not always done though drac

EvonneT.Story: the drawing out can traumatize someone

corv sounded pretty close

dracy: maybe the guy just wanted to bite you?

BDSM :)

Corvus: now, when i originally relayed the dream, i was talking about it in a chat room much like this--and i left off the next sequence of events. One of the chatters filled in the blanks of what i lft out--as well as details like which side i was bit on,

psy_worm: growl

Corvus: where his hands were, etc

dracy: why the hell did the guy byte?

EvonneT.Story: lol

love nibble

Corvus: what happened next, after he bit me (a la vampire with big fangs), i got pissed, thought immediately "oh no i don't think so buddy" and bit him back--which shocked the hell out of him, he released me, and took off

dracy: what a biting relationship :)

Corvus: *lol*

now, in terms of self defense, the attack can very well be viewed as an attack--there's very few circumstances where it's not.

EvonneT.Story: lol

Corvus: my biting back was self-defense, in that it was a very unexpected response; it caused the attacker to stop, because of the unexpected nature--it shocked him

EvonneT.Story: kin

dracy: why not just rip his head off?

Corvus: but he could have regrouped and reinstated his atack, if it was his intentions to simply attack outright--in this case it wasn't which is why it didn't continue

*lol* because not all attacks are actual outright attacks, and i don't use a bazooka to kill a housefly

EvonneT.Story: unless you are way kewl

psy_worm: impulse exists in the dream world?

EvonneT.Story: i would use a flame thrower

dracy: if in dreams all is possible

EvonneT.Story: wow impulse is way big in dream land

:D [Doesn't everyone have 'those' dreams?  :-0]

dracy: imagine his wonder when you do take out a bazooka from a pocket

and shoot the hell out of the guy

Corvus: out of that initial 'attack", i've formed a relationship with him which spilled over into the waking, real world in a big way *lol*

EvonneT.Story: good thing to hold your fire

attack was transmuted into loooooooove

:D

Corvus: yup ;)

dracy: you had like virtual sex with a vampire?

EvonneT.Story: virtual?

Corvus: *lol* nope

we waited till we were physically together

dracy: lol, what a strange way to get to know girls

byte them in dreams

i guess i havent tried everything yet

EvonneT.Story: transmutation is an important concept drac

part of what i was getting at in blessings

Corvus: he was in need, i was convenient--we were initially linked through communication--we chatted together--and he followed the link. back in those days, he wasn't looking for a romantic interlude, and was doing essentially the same thing to others

from our chat group.

EvonneT.Story: you focus on what you like about someone, their good qualities in order to bring them out as a couple

Corvus: i was apparently the first and only one to ever bite back

dracy: how the hell did he learn to do that?

Corvus: i also apparetly was the first one to realize what was happening, and to actually remember--be aware of what he was doing

*shrug* he's a vamp; it's something that's done

he pulled me up out of dreams into an astral type zone

dracy: why cant i pull people out?

that would be a blast

EvonneT.Story: that is why

lol

dracy: :\

Corvus: heh

dracy: life is so unfair................

 

 

 

 

Other Common Physical Method

 

EvonneT.Story: one more way to strengthen the aura

since psy-worm sort of brought it up

;)

exercising

dracy: exercising is annnoying :(

Corvus: exercise is a good one; so's eating healthy

EvonneT.Story: good point

Corvus: taking care of yourself

EvonneT.Story: anything that keeps you healthy

strengthens the aura

Corvus: what affects one level affects the others

to varying degrees, but there's still an effect

EvonneT.Story: and being outside in the open air

increases energy as well

dracy: so running in the park makes me quite an energetic auramen

EvonneT.Story: so exercise like hiking in the woods is excellent

jogging in the park too

Corvus: flowing environment rather than stagnant cesspools help bigtime *lol*

EvonneT.Story: blows all that nasty energy out

...the "dirt" in your aura

dracy: really?

EvonneT.Story: really

Corvus: yup

Corvus: wind is a big one for me; i feel refreshed and renewed when i'm able to stand in a breeze

 

 

 

 

Invisibility

 

psy_worm: if one was adept at psychic abilities could such a person bend your perception to make himself appear invisible?

dracy: psy: well, according to book of abremelin the mage

yes it sposible

EvonneT.Story: i never thought of it as bending someone else's perception worm

dracy: but like it aint easy

EvonneT.Story: but one of the siddhis is invisibility

Anima: the reduction of one's form to one atom. Invisibility

dracy: i thought :P

btw, you missed your chance worm

Corvus: *lol* invisibility, or the art of blending in?

dracy: the ritual of abramelin is to be started on easter

EvonneT.Story: i read a master who states that it is a meditation technique

psy_worm: im considering k's story about his master and the machete- you recall evonne?

EvonneT.Story: i am not sure i recall that one worm

Corvus: hm, apparently Bellanger's vampire ritual book is now on Sacred Texts....awsome

dracy: vampires have rituals?

EvonneT.Story: and great clothes

Corvus: Some do

psy_worm: he was called for a late night one on one where his master attacked him with a machete and k side stepped and passed one another and when he turned around he wasnt there

Corvus: *lol*

psy_worm: the machete Was real

EvonneT.Story: oh yes

psy_worm: the janitor or somebody said nobody had been in all night

and so forth

EvonneT.Story: the master was never physically there

but made himself appear to be there was the way i recall it

psy_worm: yea, but k also said he never and still hasnt figured it out

EvonneT.Story: "becoming one with an object," an advanced meditation technique for invidibility.

psy_worm: at least at the writing of that story

dracy: whats the story you're talking baout?

EvonneT.Story: Kellog's story somewhere on SLC

Corvus: Bellanger is Michelle Belllanger, one of the foundational members of House Kheperu, a vampire order. They have their own beliefs and theories, ideas and doctrines, as well as a generalized working ritual system....

dracy: what do vamps worship?

Corvus: depends on the vamp

EvonneT.Story: bigger vampires

:D

psy_worm: and im just wondering, he could of been there, to weild the machete, but selectively choose when and to whom to be appearent

Corvus: *lol*

Corvus: there's atheists, christians, pagans....you name it, they got it.....

dracy: well who does thana balanger worship?

Corvus: to be honest, i do not know who she worships, other than the divine within and the divine without

Corvus: she has a definite egyptian slant, but that has a lot to do with the house itself, and her recollected apast life memories

EvonneT.Story: he could worm

but i think it is better the other way around

psy_worm: more likely or better story?

EvonneT.Story: either way, a great feat

psy_worm: oh most definately

EvonneT.Story: but i thought it better to never actually go, but appear to be there

EvonneT.Story: and then disappear just as fast

i recall another story of someone walking on the water

he said he never left his spot but only made himself appear to be walking on the water

psy_worm: would still seem like a psychic influence than an actual dematerialisation

EvonneT.Story: so people watch the appearance

psy_worm: but hell ya neve rknow

EvonneT.Story: that is true worm

it would be nice to really know

dracy: psy: what about making someone forget he has seen you?

same effect

but done easier

EvonneT.Story: true drac

psy_worm: essentially what im saying

ever seen the movie predator

psy_worm: how he bends light for camoflage

i would think its like that- only bending your minds perception of light

EvonneT.Story: so you think the memory is modified?

EvonneT.Story: in the schools, learning to appear and not really being there is commonly done...for some reason if you cannot call

to send messages

psy_worm: really?

EvonneT.Story: you start to learn it in the lower grades

psy_worm: what schools ya refeering to?

EvonneT.Story: the witchy ones

Corvus: Sendings

psy_worm: oh

Corvus: *lol*

Corvus: The rituals of the vampire community have grown into a unique tradition all their own. Often separate from rituals invoking gods or goddesses,

Corvus: the rituals of the vampire community are typically focused on reaffirming the bonds of that community and evoking the power of the individual.

Corvus: and the book follows through; the rituals are largely designed to evoke and emphasize the individual, rather than a specific deity

EvonneT.Story: but like the Aboriginese say

i just call

lol

psy_worm: how about manipulating physical objects? telekinesis combined with appearing?

EvonneT.Story: when i nearly died

and i was out of my body

EvonneT.Story: i found it impossible to influence physical objects

EvonneT.Story: in a panic i tried to turn on a light switch

my hand passed right though it

then my hand passed through it frantically about 50 times

no luck

EvonneT.Story: the light switch stayed on the off position

dracy: lol, evonne, seems you need to pass abremelins ritual too :)

EvonneT.Story: but if i can have the appearance of appearing

and the feeling of appearing

i can also have the appearance of having objects

and the feeling of them

other wise, i would have to go everywhere nude

:)

Corvus: *lol*

psy_worm: so the riddle hinges apon the validity of wether the machete was real or "real" lol

EvonneT.Story: i don't know

dracy: where can i read that story?

psy_worm: me neither

EvonneT.Story: i know that physical objects can be seemingly manipulated by non-physical forces

i.e. poltergeist

i just think it is difficult as heck

from my little experience

psy_worm: oh yea

dracy: and usually poltergeist needs a bridge

something to link spiritual with a material

a human

thats why ghosts do crazy stuff when people are near

EvonneT.Story: i imagine you can learn to appear and perhaps manipulate objects with your consciousness, but you would need so much energy to do that, it is amazing

dracy: they are helpless without humans

and when people come they just want to have fun

EvonneT.Story: it is often thought that the person is actually the poltergeist

but they do not have control or knowledge of their energy yet

When Thomas died this weekend, i found some electronic equipment had been upset and unplugged during the night

EvonneT.Story: not far from his spot

where he would leap to the table

and i can't turn on a darn light switch

:p

dracy: how then do huted houses work?

EvonneT.Story: poltergeists and ghosts are different i think drac

there are all sorts of reasons behind hauntings

dracy: whats with the light switch?

Corvus: *lol* you might be overthinking the problem ev

dracy: i didnt understand that part

EvonneT.Story: i was not thinking at all corv

i was panicked

i never saw myself before seemingly dead

i thought i could use some help

since i already experienced the collapse and sort of slowly fading to black

Corvus: thomas just does it as it comes naturally, without thinking about it--ti doesn't matter if he's physical or not, it's not important to him, he doesn't think about it....but knowing, even on a minute level that you are not your physical self.....

EvonneT.Story: and then jumping up

to find out

my body did not jump up

just me

dracy: what happened to light switch?

EvonneT.Story: when my hand passed through the light switch the first time

that is what made me look back

seeing myself still in bed  [AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!]

is what made me try to turn on the light switch about 50 times

lol

funny now...

i heard voices

dracy: oh

EvonneT.Story: lots of them

dracy: an astral travel?

EvonneT.Story: like an auditorium full of people

i was very sick drac

the noise was coming from the door through my room

i started walking towards the door

dracy: like one of those clinical death stories?

and?

EvonneT.Story: and my "mother" came and blocked the doorway

ZAP!

i was back

it turns out from the virus i got it affected my heart

but i got better

almost no one does when that happens

but they said i had a good chance since i survived the fever

dracy: wow

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Missing Our Best Friends

or

What is Mary Jo?

 

dracy: btw, why did thomas die?

what happened to him?

EvonneT.Story: they don't know what happend to my dear thomas

they did everything to help him

but he did not respond to antibiotics

dracy: oh

pity

EvonneT.Story: i miss him very much

EvonneT.Story: he was my constant companion

dracy: i remember

when my cat was dying

dracy: long ago

EvonneT.Story: awww drac. i know how sad that is.

dracy: i took some church book of prayers

EvonneT.Story: you must have been small

dracy: which was said to have prayers that did miracle in their own time

and was praying over him

funny is that he started to feel better

then i calmed down

my sister came and took him to the vet

there he died :(

it was she

still very young

lived with me some half a yeae

EvonneT.Story: awww

dracy: year

EvonneT.Story: really little

EvonneT.Story: our pets have such short, beautiful little lives.

dracy: well the cat was older

it was some 3 months itsel when i got him

i remember her sitting on my sisters newly solved puzzle of 1000 pieces

dracy: and when we tried to gently take her of, she started to run, and sonn, there was no puzzle, but 1000 pieces were back

EvonneT.Story: lol

Corvus: heh

dracy: but the cat was kind of hyper

it would run through the room

from one wall to another

jumping at walls and running back

EvonneT.Story: a greyhound among cats

dracy: she did it for some 2 hours in a row

noone had any idea why

EvonneT.Story: hittin' the cat nippus

dracy: the what?

EvonneT.Story: cat nip

the herbs

the kitty bones

the mary jo

dracy: 0_o

the mary jo?

EvonneT.Story: mary jane ;)

except cat nip

Corvus: *lol*

EvonneT.Story: Nepeta cataria

dracy: corv: will you explain what evonne is trying to say?

Corvus: Janus is hyper until she has some nip....then she just rolls round and is happily stoned

EvonneT.Story: alright

goodnight everyone!

Corvus: *lol*

dracy: bye

Corvus: goodnight ev

EvonneT.Story: i will leave you two to explain mary jo.

:D

dracy: what is a cat nip?

The invisibility thread at AAW.

 

One of the shaman I know works for DCF in the summer on special programs.  Those kids are not lucky kids yet, but they ones in his program I think must be gathering some good fortune.  They get experiences that I wish I could have.  They build boats and drums and have a lot of nature experiences.  They are working with National Geographic on a special project this year.  Here is a quote from a book speaking about the energy of the out-of-doors:

 

[quote]...He gave up this high position to help several students with academic, social and legal problems.  It was a small bout tough class to handle.  Quite often on Saturdays and Sundays, these special students would have drinking and drug sessions.  When they reported to school by Monday, their behaviors were awful and foul words were usully used.  in spite of the students' negative behavior, the Canadian teacher did nto feel offended by t was caring and compassionate towards them.  He instituted the Monday Rule in which e and the students would go trekking for four to five hours.  he would choose the more difficult but safe paths.  After trakking, there was a physical and psychological transformation among the students.  Physically and verbally they became gentler and more wholesome.  Although the transformation was temporary, it was nevertheless dramatic.  Trekking, fresh air and good mountain pranic energy ahve beneficial and healing effects. 

 

---Pg. 41, Practical Psychic Self-Defense for Home and Office, Master Choa Kok Sui [end quote]

Out door activities and and an opportunity to learn a craft or a trade, is a good experience for a lot of people.  I know when I have difficulties, using my mind to create something really helps me.

 

 

 

 

 

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Worm, if you have the link to the Kellog writing about the machette experience, that would be great!