Druidism cont...page 3
Witan© : now we move on to modern druidism
Witan© : any questions about druidry?
Witan© : first
Witan© : some suggest that druids were immortal so who knows
lighthart1 : if that were true then there knowledge would not have been lost
Witan© : but perhaps it wasnt (twinkle in his eye)
Witan© : but we havent gotten there yet
lighthart1 : mm hmm
Witan© : shall we take a brief respite and look at where celtic wisdom ended up
Witan© : lets pretend
Witan© : you were a really smart doctor
Witan© : and the christians showed up
Witan© : knock knock knock convert or die
Witan© : you are unorginized
Witan© : and tribal
Witan© : we will crush you
Witan© : convert or die
Witan© : what did you choose
Witan© : did you convert or die?
Laurelovely01 : convert
Witan© : many of them converted
Witan© : exactly
Witan© : and now we have universities
hooplight�?: and hid their knowledge in the new religion
Witan© : yep
Witan© : christianity started out as about three pages of words by christ and they managed to fill a whole book
Witan© : so if one wants to know where druidry and the celts would have lead if they had survived merely look around
hooplight�?: well that puts into a whole new light for me
Witan© : absorb and adapt, dont write thinsg down cause things change
Witan© : be fluid
Witan© : bend never break
Witan© : be like the tree dont simply admire it
Witan© : dig your roots deep and sway in the breeze
hooplight�?: did the new religion suspect?
lighthart1 : so where did the info about the ogham come from?
Witan© : English druidic revival from about seventy years ago
Witan© : its an interesting notion
Witan© : it would probably have been compiled by enemies, romans, the christians etc
Witan© : the best example of this is follows
Witan© : The oak is considered the numero uno celtic tree
Witan© : especially if it has mistletoe on it
Witan© : but
Witan© : the oak grew in Gaul <FRANCE>
Witan© : not in ireland
Witan© : it was imported after the druids had disappeared
Witan© : so how could they have had a universal langauage
Witan© : and why would they?
Witan© : it is most likely a compilation of divination techniques used by various tribes
Witan© : compiled most likely by a converted druid
hooplight�?: i would thin if it was handy it would become useful
Witan© : it seems logical that they would endeavro to maintain the most valuable knowledge and clues to whet the appetite of scientists being scientist themselves
Witan© : useful for what though?
hooplight�?: to continue the story
Witan© : ok
Witan© : so why bother studying dsruidism at all one might ask?
Witan© : for roots, to rever the ancestors, to retouch the land lots of little reason most of them internally psychological
Witan© : So ahead to modern Druidism
Witan© : Diet, eat what you want up to each person
Witan© : ritauls, drawn from modern witchcraft, adapted from high magick and drawn from ancient egyption. Many also include vedic teachings because they have a lot in common with what we believe druids are about
Witan© : difference with wicca, well a huge assortment of gods to choose from rather than a one or two god system
Witan© : no rede
Witan© : it is such a highly individual practice as is witchcraft that in all fairness it depends on who you are talking to, naturally it has strongly celtic imagry but then there are so called celtic wiccans so there ya go
Witan© : Earth based religions, are religions that revere the earth as a being of divine energy and include earth in worhsip and practice and attemopt to act in accord with the will of nature. They also tend to like outdoorsy rituals and imagry
Witan© : As for schools and courses well witenagemot has some druidry links and i will make some available to be posted along with this chat
Witan© : and finally conclusions
Witan© : lol
Witan© : yes the end was rushed through but we covered alot of modern druidism in the beginning
hooplight�?: it explains alot to me why i have such an attraction to native cultur and am all Irish
Witan© : yes it does
Witan© : "my own pig headed thoughts on what a modern druid should be"
Witan© : so any questions?
hooplight�?: nope me thinks i get it.
Witan© : i am just about to finish this talk
Witan© : ok so what a modern druid should be in my eyes
Witan© : I will firstly admit I have received a great deal of flack in my pursuit of druidic knowledge
Witan© : many argumanents and insults about my intellect
Witan© : but then I am a dink so go figure
Witan© : happens all the time
Witan© : lol
Witan© : In modern times the terms Bard, Ovate and druid have blended to gether
Witan© : personally i find this highly distasteful
SuperDude_232 : what was a bard sorry i missed it
Witan© : If you want to be a bard, then i suggest you spend 15 years studying the lore of the celts verbatum
Witan© : Supoer a bard is a celtic storyteller who spent 15 memorizing celtic lore
Witan© : then study the lore of your own culture
Witan© : A true bard is both a top notch historian and an artist
Witan© : musiician rhetoritician what have you
Witan© : If you want to become an Ovate then study psychic abilities, and native american spirituality with an emphaisis on visions rather than medicine
Witan© : If you want to be druid then become a Lawyer, doctor, priest, judge, or politician
Witan© : In the midst of these things keep certain key notions in mind
Witan© : The balance of the three worlds
Witan© : celtic lore has three worlds much as vedic lore does
Witan© : The three celtic worlds are
Witan© : Land, Sky, and Sea
Witan© : existing between these worlds is fire
Witan© : Catch phrase ideas are, balance between the three worlds
Witan© : this means balance between the elemnts, balance between the past lessons the present problesm and the future necessities
Witan© : Balance within the self, balance between the self and others, balance outside the self
Witan© : seek inner peace and then peace with others and let this bring peace to the world
Witan© : tend the planet and care for it
Witan© : study leanr adapt and grow
Witan© : I came to study druidism as one of the last traditions i looked at.
Witan© : WHen i arrived It appeared that I am closer to being a druid than any of the other disciplines because of my cerebral nature
Witan© : so i guess in my own estimation i am a druid of sorts.
Witan© : We fortunately live in a time when we can study 20 years worth of material in a lot less time
Witan© : and we dont need to memorize it
hooplight�?: i am not sure..i am glad we live longer i thin i will need 40 years
Witan© : I dont actually consider myself a druid or an anything for that matter but hopefully if gives yall an idea of what i am shooting at descriptively
intense_female : it sure does, thank you
Laurelovely01 : Thanks Witan
hooplight�?: very informative..and clear ...makes a whole lot mose sense to me
Witan© : Now if ya talk to someone else they may say anyone who studies druidry is a druid if it is in there heart and i honestly lack the energy or desire to argue
hooplight�?: Witan..do you feel we are born to fit into a path...i mean with talents that show us?
Witan© : ack hoop
Witan© : um sure
Witan© : lol
hooplight�?: lol
Witan© : could you restate the question?
hooplight�?: i mean..if i look at myself..i see ovate
hooplight�?: as my strengths
Witan© : so are you asking if i think that means you should endeavor to become an ovate
hooplight�?: but realize i tried different aproaches all my life to find comfort
Witan© : hmm
Witan© : how about this
Witan© : i reach deep into my magick bag and heres what comes out
Witan© : Your strengths are what you do for your family and community
Witan© : your weaknesses are what you do for yourself
Witan© : and these combined with circumstance are who you are
Witan© : labels aside
hooplight�?: agreed..so what i naturally do..my first response to them is me...
Witan© : if you feel being a seer, psychic, guide etc is your strength then develop it and use it to aid your community
Witan© : and whatever you are weakest at
Witan© : develop your weakness
Witan© : make it a strength
Witan© : in the end
Witan© : your job is what you are good at
Witan© : but what you do with your weaknesses defines who you are
hooplight�?: working on that
Witan© : in the final analasys
Witan© : a brain surgeon who lets his weakness for heroine get to him will only be known as a junkie
Witan© : well hopefully this little daliance has been of something for everyone
Witan© : thank you for letting me prattle about
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